Obama to decline public financing

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allvol123 said:
The people that make it to POTUS are not necessarily any different than the masses that you agree do have varying degrees of character. They are just more in the spotlight and have more money.
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What do you base this on?

I base my perspective on the fact that getting elected requires money and access, and getting money and access requires making deals, and making deals means that sometimes you have to sacrifice certain things you thought you believed in b/c you know you won't be there much longer if you don't.

Ever watched "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"? It actually does kinda work that way.
 
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TennNC said:
Actually, by declining the funding, he is different. First president since the 70s to do it, no?
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Yes but he did make a pledge. I would be equally critical of a repub who made this pledge and then backed out. It is also not lost on me that every president is sworn in. More or less they pledge to defend and help keep our country great. If he backs out on one pledge to suit his best interests would it be a leap to think he could the same for any pledge or promise he ever made?
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes but he did make a pledge. I would be equally critical of a repub who made this pledge and then backed out. It is also not lost on me that every president is sworn in. More or less they pledge to defend and help keep our country great. If he backs out on one pledge to suit his best interests would it be a leap to think he could the same for any pledge or promise he ever made?
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Yea I bet you cant sleep at night due to the broken pledge.:eek:lol:
 
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TennNC said:
What do you base this on?

I base my perspective on the fact that getting elected requires money and access, and getting money and access requires making deals, and making deals means that sometimes you have to sacrifice certain things you thought you believed in b/c you know you won't be there much longer if you don't.

Ever watched "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"? It actually does kinda work that way.
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What do you base it on that the masses are any different? Everyday people are constantly in positions to make deals or decisions that reveal their character or lack thereof. No different than these people, their deals are just larger. At least you didn't ask me if I had watched some "Pooh" episode.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Would you really like to dig up things and compare to what Bill has done? We can if you'd like.
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So, Reagan's character flaws that led to these scandals are better than Clinton's?

And what effect did Clinton's scandals have on the country? Other than a lot of great late-night jokes?

Are you saying some presidents aren't corrupt?
 
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Fine Vol said:
Yea I bet you cant sleep at night due to the broken pledge.:eek:lol:
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I can't sleep at night knowing a man who is proving to be very misleading at best and outright lying at worst, could be president. Not just this pledge but just about every episode involving him has raised questions about how genuine and truthful this man really is. He is proving to be a lot less forthright than Clinton, and that is hard to do!
 
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KB5252 said:
I can't sleep at night knowing a man who is proving to be very misleading at best and outright lying at worst, could be president. Not just this pledge but just about every episode involving him has raised questions about how genuine and truthful this man really is. He is proving to be a lot less forthright than Clinton, and that is hard to do!
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You must have been sleep-deprived your entire life, including from 1988-92.

"Read My Lips. No New Taxes!"
 
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TennNC said:
So, Reagan's character flaws that led to these scandals are better than Clinton's?

And what effect did Clinton's scandals have on the country? Other than a lot of great late-night jokes?

Are you saying some presidents aren't corrupt?
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His scandals distracted him from the job at hand and many would say that period of time led to the extremists decision to mark America as a target. This was probably the plan for some time but with Bill distracted it certainly emboldened them. He was being warned by various departments and entities this could happen and was virtually hand tied because of his "escapades".
 
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TennNC said:
So, Reagan's character flaws that led to these scandals are better than Clinton's?

And what effect did Clinton's scandals have on the country? Other than a lot of great late-night jokes?

Are you saying some presidents aren't corrupt?
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I think you know that Bill's flaws as President were a lot more than getting serviced...I can go by a case by case basis if you'd like. Your answer is in all honesty typical of what most liberals think... oh he fooled around, so what? He was a good Presdient, yet they forget the pardons, the ignoring of the terrorist attacks, the higher taxes, NAFTA, Whitewater, I could go on.
 
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TennNC said:
You must have been sleep-deprived your entire life, including from 1988-92.

"Read My Lips. No New Taxes!"
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he wasn't lying when he said that, nor was Obama when he made his pronouncement. Regardless, Obama made this recent decision out of political expendiency while much of his platform has been how different he is. The decision is the right one, but serves to highlight how much of a typical politician he is.

In my mind, that undermines much of his appeal. The change message is jumbled up amidst his 'outsider' image as well. I'd like to think the Republicans will get that connection right in bashing him for this at every turn.

I know the Dems want it to be ho-hum politics as usual, but given Obama's message, it isn't.
 
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volsforever27 said:
yet they forget the pardons, the ignoring of the terrorist attacks, the higher taxes, NAFTA, Whitewater, I could go on.
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Name a president who hasn't had a suspicious pardon. Ever hear of George Steinbrenner or Robert Wendell Walker?

Are NAFTA and higher taxes scandals? If so, other presidents are guilty too.
 
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TennNC said:
Name a president who hasn't had a suspicious pardon. Ever hear of George Steinbrenner or Robert Wendell Walker?

Are NAFTA and higher taxes scandals? If so, other presidents are guilty too.
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Are other Presidents guilty of taxes? You bet... you implied that his wrost flaw was his sexual behavior, and I told you otherwise; but NAFTA, all the terroist attacks etc was on his watch, no one else's.
 
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TennNC said:
PJ - this is why I replied to your post about the MSM media ignoring this story.

They haven't.

It's been covered everywhere. Look on any news site - it's there.
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If you think Obama hasn't been given an easy time by the media, you need to think again. Nice try using one of my posts to prove your point, though.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
he wasn't lying when he said that, nor was Obama when he made his pronouncement. Regardless, Obama made this recent decision out of political expendiency while much of his platform has been how different he is. The decision is the right one, but serves to highlight how much of a typical politician he is.
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It's always much easier to come up with reasons why NOT to vote for someone than reasons WHY to vote for someone.

This election I'm placing a bet that although he might be typical of many politicians in some of his candidacy, he'll be different enough of a leader to make a positive impact on the country.
 
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