obama to raise taxes by 5% on people who earn over $1 mil to pay for his healthcare

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wellway16 said:
No sir, the horseshat you spew on here is that elitist, country club mentality that permeates the Good Ole Boy Party, out to show the world that you are the victim, when in reality, you have all the good cards in hand and always have. I suggest that a lot of people, not just you, step off the manicured golf course communities for a day or two and reintroduce themselves to their country. Your reality isn't reality for 90 percent of Americans. I'm not just talking welfare folks either. Hard working people of all walks are living in perilous states right now. Taxes suck, but they are what they are.
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I'll assure you that I had no history of country clubs prior to buying my own membership. I grew up on the lesser side of the tracks in my hometown. I did, however play a lot of ball get the education that my parents pounded into me. Thereafter, I spent some obscene hours working and have taken some reasonable risks to make a living. I don't think anyone has any right to a greater percentage of my income than they do anyone else's.

You need to get your head out of martyr world of the "downtrodden" and think about the fact that capitalism is the reason that your socialistic arse is posting about random and mindless drivel on the Internet.
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i just LOVE it when i get a lecture from a young buck about not caring about the poor poor helpless people of this country, when i give to charitable causes, more than he makes in a year
 
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bigpapavol said:
i'll assure you that i had no history of country clubs prior to buying my own membership. I grew up on the lesser side of the tracks in my hometown. I did, however play a lot of ball get the education that my parents pounded into me. Thereafter, i spent some obscene hours working and have taken some reasonable risks to make a living. U don't think anyone has any right to a greater percentage of my income than they do anyone else's.

You need to get your head out of martyr world of the "downtrodden" and think about the fact that capitalism is the reason that you're socialistic arse is posting about random and mindless drivel on the internet.
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Hey Well,
I have a small research assignment for ya. Google "charitable contributions - republican vs democrat"

report back with your findings
 
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wellway16 said:
I'm not jealous of you....I went to school, and have a skill that will probably preserve through any downturn. But its that kind of "me, me, me" thinking you exhibited in your response that helped get us in this economic mess to begin with.

Its the old Marie Antionette "Let Them Eat Cake" philosophy that got her head cut off by the "little people".

Money is the root of all evil. We all need it, but none of us need all of it.

There are people living in campgrounds in places like Lebanon, TN right now........this is a vicious cycle for all, but times like this, the lucky people should count their blessings everyday.

I'm just amazed at the preservationist attitude many people have right now. I guess I just have a different background that allows me a light into the other side of the coin.
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Sorry I missed this conversation but let me add my perspective.

1. I'm not rich - I'm not getting taxed more. What I object to is the relative ease with which people feel they have a right to take more and more from a small group of people.

2. I'm willing to bet many who are against the "make the rich pay for it" mentality permeating Congress are not only not the rich but are also from very modest backgrounds - personally, I'm from a lower-middle class family and I've worked constantly since the age 12. I've paid for everything thing except room, board and clothing myself but my folks gave me everything they could. They both worked crap jobs to do it too.

3. There's a huge difference between "let them eat cake" and being concerned about government giveaways that are simply political power grabs.

4. Most importantly, many of us see social programs as HURTFUL to the very people they claim to help. The objection is not based on meaness and greed; it's based on compassion. It is a horrible thing for the government to do. There is a need for a safety net to be sure but endless entitlement mindsets destroy souls.
 
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T-TownVol said:
or maybe....just maybe....their family grew up share croppers and they worked their ass off to make a good living
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i just saw a statistic that 80% of people with 5 mil or more grew up lower to middle class. i bet the percentage that inherited that kind of money is a hell of a lot lower than 20% too. this theory that the rich are rich because the ancestors were slave owners or sweat shop owners or something needs to be discarded.
 
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T-TownVol said:
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BigPapaVol said:
I'll assure you that I had no history of country clubs prior to buying my own membership. I grew up on the lesser side of the tracks in my hometown. I did, however play a lot of ball get the education that my parents pounded into me. Thereafter, I spent some obscene hours working and have taken some reasonable risks to make a living. I don't think anyone has any right to a greater percentage of my income than they do anyone else's.

You need to get your head out of martyr world of the "downtrodden" and think about the fact that capitalism is the reason that your socialistic arse is posting about random and mindless drivel on the Internet.
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The thing is, I'm not near as "socialist" as I may sound on this subject.

I just think that the Top 5% of Americans are so insulated from the real world, that they don't even consider the other side of the coin. And I just, for a minute, want the hard core conservative to place themselves on the other team for a minute.

T-Town, you seem like a guy that has worked hard (not a trust fund baby), but of all people, you should understand that for the grace of God and 2-3 decisions, you could be exactly what you rail against.

I'm not looking for a handout......I made 90K at 28 last year (not too bad for a black kid from South Nashville....whose parents grew up in the segregated south in sub-income housing, and worked their way out). The only handout I ever had in my life was a scholarship, and I earned that with my ACT score. I just have a little compassion for those who aren't as lucky as I am and who may not have had the "village raising the child" that I had. I may not have been rich, but I had discipline and love, which many "downtrodden" don't even have that.

Taxes suck.....unfair taxation by the British are why America is in existance in the first place....I understand my history. But the fact is, Democrats tax, Republicans tax.....the only difference is who they target more.

I'm all for welfare reform and more accountability out of my gov't programs......some of them need to be eliminated.....

That's all......I don't begrudge you rich people, especially the ones who came from not a lot, and made something out of it. Your story ought to be told to a bunch of kids everywhere to show where hard work and a dream can get you.

But I do begrudge the rich people who forget where they came from and the people still down there.
 
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wellway16 said:
The thing is, I'm not near as "socialist" as I may sound on this subject.

I just think that the Top 5% of Americans are so insulated from the real world, that they don't even consider the other side of the coin. And I just, for a minute, want the hard core conservative to place themselves on the other team for a minute.

T-Town, you seem like a guy that has worked hard (not a trust fund baby), but of all people, you should understand that for the grace of God and 2-3 decisions, you could be exactly what you rail against.

I'm not looking for a handout......I made 90K at 28 last year (not too bad for a black kid from South Nashville....whose parents grew up in the segregated south in sub-income housing, and worked their way out). The only handout I ever had in my life was a scholarship, and I earned that with my ACT score. I just have a little compassion for those who aren't as lucky as I am and who may not have had the "village raising the child" that I had. I may not have been rich, but I had discipline and love, which many "downtrodden" don't even have that.

Taxes suck.....unfair taxation by the British are why America is in existance in the first place....I understand my history. But the fact is, Democrats tax, Republicans tax.....the only difference is who they target more.

I'm all for welfare reform and more accountability out of my gov't programs......some of them need to be eliminated.....

That's all......I don't begrudge you rich people, especially the ones who came from not a lot, and made something out of it. Your story ought to be told to a bunch of kids everywhere to show where hard work and a dream can get you.

But I do begrudge the rich people who forget where they came from and the people still down there.
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The simple truth is there are plenty of success stories, rags to riches and what have you, the problem is many who are brought up poor and living in government housing care little for these role models. In fact they are looked at as sell outs because they had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance.
 
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wellway16 said:
I just think that the Top 5% of Americans are so insulated from the real world, that they don't even consider the other side of the coin. And I just, for a minute, want the hard core conservative to place themselves on the other team for a minute.
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what does that even mean? the top-5% of americans already are paying 50% of all taxes and well over 50% of all charitable contributions in this country.
 
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The only thing that I "rail" against are the politicians that want to create this country of dependants on the government.
The Lord has blessed me greatly and it is because of my faith that I continue to prosper. I am suer you have heard the phrase "you can't outgive the Lord". That is my point. I have never said all taxes are not necessary, we are talking about this specific tax hike to pay for a socialist health plan.
 
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droski said:
what does that even mean? the top-5% of americans already are paying 50% of all taxes and well over 50% of all charitable contributions in this country.
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KB5252 said:
The simple truth is there are plenty of success stories, rags to riches and what have you, the problem is many who are brought up poor and living in government housing care little for these role models. In fact they are looked at as sell outs because they had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance.
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That, sadly, does exist in many pockets of society. Which is why I would love to see an overhaul of the welfare system......get these people in some training, so that they can ween off the program and become assets to the community, instead of burdens on the system.
 
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KB5252 said:
The simple truth is there are plenty of success stories, rags to riches and what have you, the problem is many who are brought up poor and living in government housing care little for these role models. In fact they are looked at as sell outs because they had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance.
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It makes you wonder how many had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance and it didn't work out. I don't have a clue about the statistics, but I would bet that the success stories aren't as plentiful as you suggest, we just hear about those more.

These broad sweeping generalizations are ridiculous. Are there those that take advantage of the situation? I'm sure there are. But bitching about everybody on welfare because a few are freeloaders is as stupid as the liberals bitching about the fatcat bonuses on wall street because there were a few bad apples that didn't do right.

Here's a thought for this thread...everybody on welfare is a pathetic freeloader that loves the life welfare brings them. Everybody on wall street is a greedy, corrupt, cash grabbing insider who exploits the the little guy. Healthcare for poor people is socialism, million dollar bonuses for wall streeters is corruption.
 
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T-TownVol said:
The only thing that I "rail" against are the politicians that want to create this country of dependants on the government.
The Lord has blessed me greatly and it is because of my faith that I continue to prosper. I am suer you have heard the phrase "you can't outgive the Lord". That is my point. I have never said all taxes are not necessary, we are talking about this specific tax hike to pay for a socialist health plan.
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Understood......

You seem like a good man.....and we're probably not totally at odds over this...just coming from two differing perspectives.

I see your point on programs creating long-term dependants......I would like to see that changed too.
 
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rjd970 said:
It makes you wonder how many had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance and it didn't work out. I don't have a clue about the statistics, but I would bet that the success stories aren't as plentiful as you suggest, we just hear about those more.

These broad sweeping generalizations are ridiculous. Are there those that take advantage of the situation? I'm sure there are. But bitching about everybody on welfare because a few are freeloaders is as stupid as the liberals bitching about the fatcat bonuses on wall street because there were a few bad apples that didn't do right.

Here's a thought for this thread...everybody on welfare is a pathetic freeloader that loves the life welfare brings them. Everybody on wall street is a greedy, corrupt, cash grabbing insider who exploits the the little guy. Healthcare for poor people is socialism, million dollar bonuses for wall streeters is corruption.
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if you have been on welfare for over 6 months you are a freeloader and a loser. no ifs ands or buts. it was never intended to be permanent assistance.
 
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wellway16 said:
Understood......

You seem like a good man.....and we're probably not totally at odds over this...just coming from two differing perspectives.

I see your point on programs creating long-term dependants......I would like to see that changed too.
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Good Luck with you MBA.
 
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rjd970 said:
It makes you wonder how many had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance and it didn't work out. I don't have a clue about the statistics, but I would bet that the success stories aren't as plentiful as you suggest, we just hear about those more.

These broad sweeping generalizations are ridiculous. Are there those that take advantage of the situation? I'm sure there are. But bitching about everybody on welfare because a few are freeloaders is as stupid as the liberals bitching about the fatcat bonuses on wall street because there were a few bad apples that didn't do right.

Here's a thought for this thread...everybody on welfare is a pathetic freeloader that loves the life welfare brings them. Everybody on wall street is a greedy, corrupt, cash grabbing insider who exploits the the little guy. Healthcare for poor people is socialism, million dollar bonuses for wall streeters is corruption.
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Here is a thought for you Sir......follow my family's lead and actually do something to help someone get out of the grip of the federal system.
ADOPT a kid out of the US foster care system or become a Foster family, as we were for three years, and help get a kid or two on the right track,
OR, just keep judging people and thier comments
 
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T-TownVol said:
Here is a thought for you Sir......follow my family's lead and actually do something to help someone get out of the grip of the federal system.
ADOPT a kid out of the US foster care system or become a Foster family, as we were for three years, and help get a kid or two on the right track,
OR, just keep judging people and thier comments
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you obviously don't understand. it's the rich people in their ivory tower that need to shoulder that burden.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Here is a thought for you Sir......follow my family's lead and actually do something to help someone get out of the grip of the federal system.
ADOPT a kid out of the US foster care system or become a Foster family, as we were for three years, and help get a kid or two on the right track,
OR, just keep judging people and thier comments
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What exactly does this have to do with what I posted? I was just saying the sweeping generalizations being made by both sides here are stupid.
 
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rjd970 said:
It makes you wonder how many had the intestinal fortitude to take a chance and it didn't work out. I don't have a clue about the statistics, but I would bet that the success stories aren't as plentiful as you suggest, we just hear about those more.

No you don't and that's the problem

These broad sweeping generalizations are ridiculous. Are there those that take advantage of the situation? I'm sure there are. But bitching about everybody on welfare because a few are freeloaders is as stupid as the liberals bitching about the fatcat bonuses on wall street because there were a few bad apples that didn't do right.

Here's a thought for this thread...everybody on welfare is a pathetic freeloader that loves the life welfare brings them. Everybody on wall street is a greedy, corrupt, cash grabbing insider who exploits the the little guy. Healthcare for poor people is socialism, million dollar bonuses for wall streeters is corruption.
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I didn't see any broad generalizations in my post but I see a couple you made.

There are plenty of rags to riches success stories. There are many more stories about those that overcome circumstances to better their life, they may never be rich but they are comfortable in their finances. The sad truth is that there are many who find life comfortable enough when the government is footing the bill, more sad when you take into account the fact they feel it is owed them. I am in no way saying all people receiving government handouts fall into this category, but a significant number do, that cannot be denied.
 
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KB5252 said:
I didn't see any broad generalizations in my post but I see a couple you made.

There are plenty of rags to riches success stories. There are many more stories about those that overcome circumstances to better their life, they may never be rich but they are comfortable in their finances. The sad truth is that there are many who find life comfortable enough when the government is footing the bill, more sad when you take into account the fact they feel it is owed them. I am in no way saying all people receiving government handouts fall into this category, but a significant number do, that cannot be denied.
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That was my point. You hear the success stories only. Quick, name me one guy that started out in rags and still ended up there anyway. My point is you hear about the guy that won the lottery, not the 2 million who lost...maybe a bad example, but you get the point of what I am saying.

What do you mean by "significant number" and "many people"? I think we have a different view on how widespread the problem really is.

...and my broad generalizations were made on purpose to point out the idiocy of it. It wasn't directed at you personally.
 
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I think the point of the broad generalizations is to get at the underlying philosophy a poster brings to the discussion.

I'd bet many of the evil pro-rich crowd here really see the evil effects of a dependency culture. It's not so much a matter of someone taking advantage of welfare; it is welfare taking advantage of people. On the flip-side, some defending welfare programs see it as a moral obligation to help and so what if a few take advantage as long as we show compassion and help those that need help.

More succinctly, the core of the debate is not should we help people but do government programs ultimately help or hurt? For those that believe it hurts, it is particularly galling to foist the costs upon a select few people.

I don't think there is much debate at all that the government is "helping" more than it ever has and this HC plan is one more step in that direction.
 
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