Obama vs McCain

Who wins the general election?

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volsforever27 said:
Let's see... votes for tax increases, against tax cuts, wants amnesty, tries to limit free speech,
tries to block conservative judges, Keating 5, Gang of 12, etc.. While he may not be Kennedy, he's not far behind.
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He has also voted for tax cuts. His immigration stance is more conservative than Reagan's. His campaign finance reform bill was the wrong solution but the problem addressed was real. Blocking conservative judges? At least he hasn't tried to appoint/support Souter or O'Connor style judges.

What the Keating 5 has to do with being liberal I'm not sure.

He's nowhere near Kennedy on taxing, spending, war on terror, role of military, judges, etc.

I can respect someone not liking/supporting McCain but to claim is like Kennedy is absurd. In the other thread you say he is not like Reagan - he's a lot more like Reagan than he is like Kennedy.
 
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volinbham said:
He has also voted for tax cuts. His immigration stance is more conservative than Reagan's. His campaign finance reform bill was the wrong solution but the problem addressed was real. Blocking conservative judges? At least he hasn't tried to appoint/support Souter or O'Connor style judges.

What the Keating 5 has to do with being liberal I'm not sure.

He's nowhere near Kennedy on taxing, spending, war on terror, role of military, judges, etc.

I can respect someone not liking/supporting McCain but to claim is like Kennedy is absurd. In the other thread you say he is not like Reagan - he's a lot more like Reagan than he is like Kennedy.
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He's also in support of trials for terrorists, he voted for the tax cut but read his comments about it being for the rich, he fought it any other time. The only thing I will give him credit for is the war... but while he may not be as bad as Kennedy, they seem to share a lot in common.
To me comparing Reagan to McCain is absurd, and I'll get into that more later this evening. He is a Rockefeller Republican, not a Reagan conservative.
 
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volsforever27 said:
He is a Rockefeller Republican, not a Reagan conservative.
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I think that's accurate. But he's still way to the right of Ted Kennedy.

If I hear that goofball "I was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution" line one more time I think my head is going to explode.
 
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volinbham said:
I just read this column - it pretty much sums up my view on the matter.

A conservative's case for McCain - The Boston Globe
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I can link several columns that say the same thing, Bob Dole write a letter to Rush trying to get him to stand for McCain... the fact that everyone is trying to convince us that McCain is a conservative speaks volumes.

Make no mistake, he's not as bad as Obama or Hillary, but it doesn't excuse what he's done either.
 
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volsforever27 said:
the fact that everyone is trying to convince us that McCain is a conservative speaks volumes.
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I'd say it's about 50/50 between people trying to convine others that McCain is conservative vs. those trying to convince others that he isn't.

I'm not going to be part of either side - if you don't think he's conservative that's fine with me.

My two main points:

1. McCain is plenty conservative for me; especially on the areas that matter the most to me (fiscal policy, foreign policy, judges).

2. Reagan is remembered to be much more conservative than he actually was.
 
#35
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McCain is not going to look good debating Obama. His handlers are smart, and will try to keep debates with Obama to a minimum, but still he will be hurt by them.

If Obama has been successful painting Hilliary as part of the establishment, imagine how that will work against a candidate who has been a U.S. senator for 30+ years.
 
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I disagree about the debates. Obama has very little experience in national level politics and the line "I want change" will not work for two hours of debating. He will have to go into detail and I seriously believe that Obama does not have all the details worked out. McCain has been debating on this level for almost as long as Obama has been breathing.
 
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oklavol said:
McCain is not going to look good debating Obama. His handlers are smart, and will try to keep debates with Obama to a minimum, but still he will be hurt by them.

If Obama has been successful painting Hilliary as part of the establishment, imagine how that will work against a candidate who has been a U.S. senator for 30+ years.
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I would think that McCain would actually welcome a debate with Obama. Obama looks great giving a stump speech, but he has at times appeared outclassed when Hillary starts beating him over the head with substance and pins him down on details.
 
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GAVol said:
I would think that McCain would actually welcome a debate with Obama. Obama looks great giving a stump speech, but he has at times appeared outclassed when Hillary starts beating him over the head with substance and pins him down on details.
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the polls don't really reflect that. The longer his campaign goes on, the better he does. i think the same will happen against McCain. Obama isn't a great debater, but he's better then McCain. IMO Romney, Huckabee, etc were all better at debating then McCain.
 
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GAVol said:
I would think that McCain would actually welcome a debate with Obama. Obama looks great giving a stump speech, but he has at times appeared outclassed when Hillary starts beating him over the head with substance and pins him down on details.
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like her or not, hillary is a policy wonk and a very good debater. mccain is not as good a debator as she is, and probably not as good as obama based on the debates ive seen of McCain in this primary.

zknott03 said:
I disagree about the debates. Obama has very little experience in national level politics and the line "I want change" will not work for two hours of debating. He will have to go into detail and I seriously believe that Obama does not have all the details worked out. McCain has been debating on this level for almost as long as Obama has been breathing.
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one thing they have in common: neither has won a closely contested election.

these primaries are both senators toughest electoral challenges. all Obama has had to do was beat Alan Keyes in Ill., and McCain has had a similarly easy path in all of his races.

considering that, one could say Obama has run a significantly better campaign taking into account the daunting task of dethroning Hillary and that its not McCains first "go" at it. not to mention the general campaign ineptitude of the other frontrunners on the GOP side.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
highly debatable, but one thing's for sure: they cannot spend any more money than this administration has. They might send the cash in a different direction, but the amount will not grow, unless this Universal Health Care initiative grows to full blown debacle-hood. Then, the sky's the limit on spending.
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Obama wants to spend $150 Billion on global warming
 
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#44
One of the things I don't like about Obama is he will have a democratic house and senate to approve his agenda.
 
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oklavol said:
One of the things I don't like about Obama is he will have a democratic house and senate to approve his agenda.
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Are you saying that you would vote for him as long as you didn't have to actually worry about his agenda?
 
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GAVol said:
Are you saying that you would vote for him as long as you didn't have to actually worry about his agenda?
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I like that. How about we just promote Miss America every 4th year to Prez? All she'll want is world peace and to feed the hungry, but she'll look much better in a suit and will provide endless fodder for the late night hosts.

Seriously, how different would Miss America's answers be than what we've heard from Obama to date?
 
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GAVol said:
Are you saying that you would vote for him as long as you didn't have to actually worry about his agenda?
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Where did I say I was even voting for Obama?

Are you voting for McCain because you agree with everything on his agenda?

I don't like a lot of Obama's agenda. But if he gets elected the chances of his agenda passing Congress are high, since the Dem's will likely hold on to the house and senate.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I like that. How about we just promote Miss America every 4th year to Prez? All she'll want is world peace and to feed the hungry, but she'll look much better in a suit and will provide endless fodder for the late night hosts.

Seriously, how different would Miss America's answers be than what we've heard from Obama to date?
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I love how you guys assume I have a position which I don't have, and then immediately start attacking it, just so you can find something to criticize.
 
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