obama will require all businesses to have breast feeding rooms

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IPorange said:
Small businesses will have a hard time addressing this.
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Reading is fundamental.


rjd970 said:
This is the issue I have with it. The idea isn't bad, but it shouldn't be mandated.
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I suppose so. I'm just saying that for businesses with over 50 employees (and that generally means revenues of at least $5 million a year, probably more), having a small room for this purpose just seems to me to not be that burdensome. Relative to other concerns, it just seems fairly minor.

Although, I do wonder whether that applies if you are one of these kioskish type outfits that might have 60 employees spread out across 15 locations. Or a department store chain or something like that.

Meh, that'll get handled in the regs, I'm sure.



droski said:
who's bringing their kid to work anyway? we really need to allocate valuable office space for people who pump at work?
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Now this I agree with. Kids should not be there. However, I do think this may also include the recent mother who has a breast pump to take home at the end of the day.


paul1454 said:
I'd need to read the exact requirements in the bill, but on first blush it appears to mandate a nonproductive use of space for a problem that is trivial and unlikely to be even an issue in most businesses.
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This.
 
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Oh ferchrissakes you guys will cry about anything. A woman should have a private place in the workplace to pump breast milk. It's an outrage. A tragedy. A liberal nanny-state program. How dare this administration? It will cost billions and break small-ish business. This is the end of the country our founders envisioned and just another example of Obama trampling all over the constitution.

*rolls eyes*
 
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VolInMn said:
Oh ferchrissakes you guys will cry about anything. A woman should have a private place in the workplace to pump breast milk. It's an outrage. A tragedy. A liberal nanny-state program. How dare this administration? It will cost billions and break small-ish business. This is the end of the country our founders envisioned and just another example of Obama trampling all over the constitution.

*rolls eyes*
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This is where you have it all wrong and miss the boat completely. It isn't about this one issue, it is a matter of things like these that in and of themselves aren't a huge deal but when lumped together with all the other silly regulations really create problems and make an already expensive and tedious endeavor (running a business) even harder and more expensive.

Let me clear this is not a partisan issue, both sides of the debate are guilty but endless regulation on trivial issues come to together and create problems and expense that aren't needed.
 
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I assumed you were all family oriented men and would want for your SO to have a proper place to pump breast milk during the day since it's better for the baby than formula.
 
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VolInMn said:
I assumed you were all family oriented men and would want for your SO to have a proper place to pump breast milk during the day since it's better for the baby than formula.
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why stop there? Any place of business with more than 50 employees should be required to have an on-site daycare center. Breast-feeding moms should also be accommodated in their schedules so that they can take several breaks during their shift to feed their baby.

Of course, this will create problems when you have a breast-feeding mother who also smokes.
 
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VolInMn said:
I assumed you were all family oriented men and would want for your SO to have a proper place to pump breast milk during the day since it's better for the baby than formula.
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I have three kids. My kids were bottle fed. Me and my wife decided that it was for the benefit of our children, that she stay at home and raise them, instead of shipping them to daycare for someone else to raise 40 hours of the week.

People want kids, but dont want to have make the sacrifices to raise them. They expect others to do it. It takes away from what "they" want to do.

Thats why you see more grandparents raising their grandchildren.

More parents need to understand there is more to having kids than the 5 minutes you spend making them.
 
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VolInMn said:
I assumed you were all family oriented men and would want for your SO to have a proper place to pump breast milk during the day since it's better for the baby than formula.
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Why not let companies decide?

What about this issue demands Federal government intervention?

What does this provision have to do with HC (actually health insurance) reform?
 
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CountVolcula said:
I have three kids. My kids were bottle fed. Me and my wife decided that it was for the benefit of our children, that she stay at home and raise them, instead of shipping them to daycare for someone else to raise 40 hours of the week.

People want kids, but dont want to have make the sacrifices to raise them. They expect others to do it. It takes away from what "they" want to do.

Thats why you see more grandparents raising their grandchildren.

More parents need to understand there is more to having kids than the 5 minutes you spend making them.
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What would you have a single mother do, then? Stay at home with her kids and suckle from the government teet?
 
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VolInMn said:
What would you have a single mother do, then? Stay at home with her kids and suckle from the government teet?
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Your utopia........

The utopia where the gov't can tell you do whatever it fancies and you have no problem with it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Why automatically assume it is somebody who had children that shouldn't have? What about divorce, or widow?

The mother has to work, no?
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sure, there are varying circumstances and each should be handled on an individual basis. This is why this mandate for a private area for breast feeding mothers is so bad. It's another one-size-fits-all federal intrusion into private business. This has nothing to do with health care reform.
 
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VolInMn said:
What would you have a single mother do, then? Stay at home with her kids and suckle from the government teet?
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You have raised a valid point.

It would depend on the circumstances.

Was she married and her husband died?
Then I could see helping out that person on a case to case basis. That was events beyond her control and she shouldnt be punished for that.

Is she just sleeping around, damn the circumstances?
Here is where we interject "personal responsibility". I know that is a hard word for some in this country to understand.
What will be the cause and effect of my actions?
Can I afford Daycare?
Can I work and have children?
Who will take care of them?
Can I be there for them when they need me?
 
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MG1968 said:
sure, there are varying circumstances and each should be handled on an individual basis. This is why this mandate for a private area for breast feeding mothers is so bad. It's another one-size-fits-all federal intrusion into private business. This has nothing to do with health care reform.
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Agreed. But assuming it is always somebody just trying to game the system is shortsighted. the fact of the matter is that isn't always the case.

Nevertheless, we agree handling it on an individual basis is the right thing and mandated something like like this is problematic.
 
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CountVolcula said:
You have raised a valid point.

It would depend on the circumstances.

Was she married and her husband died?
Then I could see helping out that person on a case to case basis. That was events beyond her control and she shouldnt be punished for that.

Is she just sleeping around, damn the circumstances?
Here is where we interject "personal responsibility". I know that is a hard word for some in this country to understand.
What will be the cause and effect of my actions?
Can I afford Daycare?
Can I work and have children?
Who will take care of them?
Can I be there for them when they need me?
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That's one helluva Pandora's Box you'd be opening, there.
 
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droski said:
why can't they pump in the bathroom?
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Its not private enough. You know how women dont like to go to the bathroom together.

The only issue I see would be sanitary issues and that is understandable.

I dont have a problem with a business deciding to do thison their own, but the government mandating it for such a small percentile of the workforce, is stupid.
 
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