Obamacare already having effects

[TruthIsOutThere]

I agree it is an embarrasment, I hope this is not what the founders envisioned. Term limits, or revolution, the only real fixes.

Term limits only transfer institutional power to non-elected positions such as long tenured aides, regulatory body leaders, and GSAP lobbiests.

THe idea is that the learning curve is so steep that term lmited congressment start hiring and confiding in tenured aides, etc.

 

[hog88]

Term limits only transfer institutional power to non-elected positions such as long tenured aides, regulatory body leaders, and GSAP lobbiests.

THe idea is that the learning curve is so steep that term lmited congressment start hiring and confiding in tenured aides, etc.

And woudn't the same apply to the POTUS?

 

[volinbham]

Regardless of political affiliation can anyone here defend the way ACA was written (or at least the shell was written since so many of the details are undecided) and/or passed?

 

[MG1968]

I'm referring to the above, where the GOP congressman took some form of platform resolution by a conservative organization and forgot to take out their name and insert that the Congress was resolved. The implication was that the fellow got the language from that outfit and just submitted it word for word.

I'm saying that goes on all the time. They all do that. Par for the course. Etc. In other words, the GOP fellow just made what amounts to a clerical mistake. No big deal.

In your zeal to attack everything I say, you missed the point that I was defending the GOP lawmaker.

I wasn't attacking you, I just compared you to nancy pelosi

 

[BigPapaVol]

Term limits only transfer institutional power to non-elected positions such as long tenured aides, regulatory body leaders, and GSAP lobbiests.

THe idea is that the learning curve is so steep that term lmited congressment start hiring and confiding in tenured aides, etc.

absolute copout.

 

[TruthIsOutThere]

absolute copout.

How's it a copout? I hate politicians. Hate them. I think they should all resign now. But I'm just telling you - term limits are FAR from the answer people hope.

We have many term limited state legislatures in this country where the effects have been documented.

 

[Gramps]

Regardless of political affiliation can anyone here defend the way ACA was written (or at least the shell was written since so many of the details are undecided) and/or passed?

I don't think anyone can pretend to defend it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

How's it a copout? I hate politicians. Hate them. I think they should all resign now. But I'm just telling you - term limits are FAR from the answer people hope.

We have many term limited state legislatures in this country where the effects have been documented.

those long termers can be fired. congress can't.

I understand the issue you raise and don't disagree, but career government folks can be avoided if we'll recognize that they are problematic - and there is no doubt that they are. The corporate world figured out a couple decades ago that institutionalization is an enormous problem to growth and change. We can apply that lesson to government.

Most arguments against it are about silliness like procedure and efficiency, as if crap like months long breaks for campaigning are efficient.

 

[vols-1]

I think they will be ok. Cell phones have more fees than you can shake a stick at and there're not hurting for business.

 

[Vol423]

So, people here are angry that the cost of pizza is going up so that every American can have health care... but no one's saying a word about Schnatter passing his bill on to the consumer?

lol: A business would have the audacity to pass taxes (or any other cost increase) on to the consumer? Welcome to the real world!

 

[Vol423]

Team Romney Scares Conservatives By Touting ‘Romneycare’ | TPM2012

Team Romney brings up Romneycare.
Not a good thing for their campaign.


""" Mitt Romney’s campaign is giving conservatives quite a scare this week by touting Romney’s Massachusetts health care overhaul — a subject Romney has gone to great lengths to avoid.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul brought up the law in response to a*Priorities USA ad
*in which a steelworker, who lost his job after Bain Capital closed the GST Steel mill where he worked, connects his unemployment — and resulting lack of health insurance — to the death of his wife.
Team Romney’s response: He should have lived in Massachusetts.
On two Fox News appearances Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, Saul countered that if the steelworker, Joe Soptic, and his wife had lived in Massachusetts, they would have kept their insurance under Romney’s health care reform law.
“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday.
The campaign has shied from reminding voters of Romney’s landmark achievement as governor because it so closely resembles “Obamacare” — and was in fact a model for the national law. Romney has said repeatedly that he does not wish to force his plan onto other states. Romney has justified the law to conservatives by insisting that it worked for his state, but he wouldn’t ask other states to follow his lead.""""""

Romney's campaign is amongst the most disfunctional that campaigns that I have seen in the last thirty years, and that is saying something. He'll get my vote anyway. After all, he has a pulse. It sure would be nice if his campaign would get its act together though.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I think they will be ok. Cell phones have more fees than you can shake a stick at and there're not hurting for business.

sweet. Let's just ripple us some extra inflation through the place. The pumping campaign from the Fed won't be quite enough.

If we get inflation high enough, no seniors on earth will have saved enough to feed themselves, so we can get some extra cheese out there too.

 

[Vol423]

There you go. This isn't bad, it just costs the greedy businesses out there in the world some return. That's all.

This isn't directed at you BPV because I know that you're already aware of this.

However, if corporations lose 5-10% off their bottom lines, you better hope you don't own stocks.

 

[BigPapaVol]

This isn't directed at you BPV because I know that you're already aware of this.

However, if corporations lose 5-10% off their bottom lines, you better hope you don't own stocks.

hence my comments as the "nominal" nature of just a tiny little shaving off the bottom lines. I'm not sure many folks here understand fundamental valuation, but I promise that pesky little shavings have enormous impacts on equity values.

 

[Vol423]

hence my comments as the "nominal" nature of just a tiny little shaving off the bottom lines. I'm not sure many folks here understand fundamental valuation, but I promise that pesky little shavings have enormous impacts on equity values.

I completely agree with you. My comment was made in response to you, but it was directed toward the guy to which you were responding.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I completely agree with you. My comment was made in response to you, but it was directed toward the guy to which you were responding.

I saw that, but the point needs to be hammered. The shortsightedness of "what's a few cents to a rich guy" can't be mocked enough.