Obama's Aunt

#27
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

You guys conveniently ignore the part where Obama says the laws should be followed.

Second, I do know something about these matters (unlike any of you) and the reality is that if someone comes into the country legally, and then their rights to stay here end, it is not at all uncommon for it to take many years for the process of sending them back to be completed. See for example the judge on her appeals case having to push hers off for 10 months because of his docket.

I just love stories like this from Fox. Throw out a little bit of information, out of context, and create all sorts of suspicion and innuendo. And of course you folks are more than happy to indulge the weakest of all character attacks.
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What's sad is you actually believe this pile of feces you typed.
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#28
#28
lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

You guys conveniently ignore the part where Obama says the laws should be followed.

Second, I do know something about these matters (unlike any of you) and the reality is that if someone comes into the country legally, and then their rights to stay here end, it is not at all uncommon for it to take many years for the process of sending them back to be completed. See for example the judge on her appeals case having to push hers off for 10 months because of his docket.

I just love stories like this from Fox. Throw out a little bit of information, out of context, and create all sorts of suspicion and innuendo. And of course you folks are more than happy to indulge the weakest of all character attacks.
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funny how that works. When its against Obama its all extrapolated lies of the GOP machine, yet when its against conservatives its stone cold fact.

The real question is how much money do you make from your wool?


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#30
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

You guys conveniently ignore the part where Obama says the laws should be followed.

Second, I do know something about these matters (unlike any of you) and the reality is that if someone comes into the country legally, and then their rights to stay here end, it is not at all uncommon for it to take many years for the process of sending them back to be completed. See for example the judge on her appeals case having to push hers off for 10 months because of his docket.

I just love stories like this from Fox. Throw out a little bit of information, out of context, and create all sorts of suspicion and innuendo. And of course you folks are more than happy to indulge the weakest of all character attacks.
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Catch up on the latest events and get back to us.
 
#32
#32
lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

You guys conveniently ignore the part where Obama says the laws should be followed.

Second, I do know something about these matters (unlike any of you) and the reality is that if someone comes into the country legally, and then their rights to stay here end, it is not at all uncommon for it to take many years for the process of sending them back to be completed. See for example the judge on her appeals case having to push hers off for 10 months because of his docket.

I just love stories like this from Fox. Throw out a little bit of information, out of context, and create all sorts of suspicion and innuendo. And of course you folks are more than happy to indulge the weakest of all character attacks.
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Come on LG you're better than this (at least I hope so), Obama is a politician, politicians are all about saying one thing publicly and then doing the exact opposite. I know it's hard for you to believe since you are so emotionally attached but Obama is as full of hypocrisy as any politician and his track record is perfect evidence to this fact.
 
#33
#33
IF Obama in any way influenced her status or ability to stay here or get housing, etc., i.e. he is positively shown to have personally gotten involved to make sure she was taken care of, then I will be the first person to say he ought to resign. (Limbaigh speculating on it is not enough)

All I ask in return is that, if there is no proof of that and if it is left that it is happenstance that she is related to Obama, then all of you concede that this was Fox making a story out of nothing.
 
#34
#34
Obama's Aunt Granted Asylum

Obama disavows any involvement in her case.

Judge grants her asylum.

show me proof that Obama influenced this, other than by his simply being POTUS, and you'll have a point.

Otherwise, its hard to argue with the conclusion of the judge who heard the evidence, versus your relying on soundbites.
 
#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
IF Obama in any way influenced her status or ability to stay here or get housing, etc., i.e. he is positively shown to have personally gotten involved to make sure she was taken care of, then I will be the first person to say he ought to resign. (Limbaigh speculating on it is not enough)

All I ask in return is that, if there is no proof of that and if it is left that it is happenstance that she is related to Obama, then all of you concede that this was Fox making a story out of nothing.
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How about a third option - a reversal in a earlier ruling since you don't want to be the one that gets the President's relative booted?
 
#37
#37
I don't care who's aunt she is, she's an illegal staying in public housing. How the hell can you defend that? And anyone who thinks that fact that she's president's aunt didn't sway the ruling is naive.
 
#40
#40
the real question is what would LG be saying if that was W's aunt staying in taxpayer motel? O i mean public housing
 
#41
#41
lawgator1 said:
Fair enough.

I'll be waiting for proof (not right wing zealot inference upon inference logic) that Obama actually did anything to influence this outcome.
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I don't care if this was Bush or Obama. The fact that she's the president's aunt has something do with the ruling. If this was four years ago and the shoe was on Bush's illegal Irish aunt's foot, you'd be saying the same.
 
#42
#42
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
the real question is what would LG be saying if that was W's aunt staying in taxpayer motel? O i mean public housing
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W would have been man enough to help out such an important figure in his life since he has the means
 
#43
#43
lawgator1 said:
IF Obama in any way influenced her status or ability to stay here or get housing, etc., i.e. he is positively shown to have personally gotten involved to make sure she was taken care of, then I will be the first person to say he ought to resign. (Limbaigh speculating on it is not enough)

All I ask in return is that, if there is no proof of that and if it is left that it is happenstance that she is related to Obama, then all of you concede that this was Fox making a story out of nothing.
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An illegal alien gets housing. Yet you take offense with who reported it?

Seems logical.
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#45
#45
volinbham said:
How about a third option - a reversal in a earlier ruling since you don't want to be the one that gets the President's relative booted?
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hohenfelsvol said:
I don't care who's aunt she is, she's an illegal staying in public housing. How the hell can you defend that? And anyone who thinks that fact that she's president's aunt didn't sway the ruling is naive.
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The ruling was according to reports that she claimed she was in danger because he's POTUS and so she would be a target. The judge agreed.

In the sense that, but for him being POTUS it would not have happened, you are correct.

But that's a consequence of him being president. It is not the equivalent of him picking up the phone and asking people to do him a solid. There is so far ZERO proof that Obama in any way misused his office on this issue.

Show me proof that he pulled strings, and I'm with you.

Otherwise, this is just more smoke and mirrors from the right wing blog/Fox/conspiracy nut channel.
 
#46
#46
lawgator1 said:
IF Obama in any way influenced her status or ability to stay here or get housing, etc., i.e. he is positively shown to have personally gotten involved to make sure she was taken care of, then I will be the first person to say he ought to resign. (Limbaigh speculating on it is not enough)

All I ask in return is that, if there is no proof of that and if it is left that it is happenstance that she is related to Obama, then all of you concede that this was Fox making a story out of nothing.
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1. I would think having him resign would be a major over-reaction. But I am sure others on this board disagree.

2. Why do so many people think current lack of solid proof somehow disproves something? Truth is truth, regardless of proof. I'm not saying that the truth is necessarily against Obama on this one (I don't know), but to say that there is not "point" if someone can't produce it is ridiculous. This isn't a trial.
 
#47
#47
lawgator1 said:
The ruling was according to reports that she claimed she was in danger because he's POTUS and so she would be a target. The judge agreed.

In the sense that, but for him being POTUS it would not have happened, you are correct.

But that's a consequence of him being president. It is not the equivalent of him picking up the phone and asking people to do him a solid. There is so far ZERO proof that Obama in any way misused his office on this issue.

Show me proof that he pulled strings, and I'm with you.

Otherwise, this is just more smoke and mirrors from the right wing blog/Fox/conspiracy nut channel.
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Look LG, there is no way any office in any year would leave proof laving around even if they had done something. Do I think the President or his staff called, no. Do I think the judge knowing it was the presidents aunt entered his mind and affected the ruling, yes.
 
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#48
IPorange said:
1. I would think having him resign would be a major over-reaction. But I am sure others on this board disagree.

2. Why do so many people think current lack of solid proof somehow disproves something? Truth is truth, regardless of proof. I'm not saying that the truth is necessarily against Obama on this one (I don't know), but to say that there is not "point" if someone can't produce it is ridiculous. This isn't a trial.
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No, I don't think so. If Obama interfered in her case, I think that is a major problem for him.
 
#49
#49
Pretty simple:

1. President's relative is living off the public dole
2. President's relative is here illegally for an extended period of time
3. President's relative is granted asylum after having it denied.

None of these 3 look good individually for the President regardless of whether or not he directly influenced the case. Put them all together and it's not a pretty picture.

We see a preference for government vs. family help.
We see people being treated differently for who they know.
We see a vision of Obama's view of helping the less fortunate.

In short, we see the government picking winners and losers while it purports to be a fair arbiter.
 
#50
#50
hohenfelsvol said:
Look LG, there is no way any office in any year would leave proof laving around even if they had done something. Do I think the President or his staff called, no. Do I think the judge knowing it was the presidents aunt entered his mind and affected the ruling, yes.
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Well, obviously it entered his mind because that was her claim -- that being related to POTUS made her a target. But as I say that's a consequence of his being the POTUS. That's just a fact. The insinuation by some on here is that he did something to influence the outcome.

The former doesn't bother me. I don't know what the facts are that the judge took in to consideration as to exactly why she would be threatened. The latter would bother me very much. But I need to see proof of that before I jump to the conclusion others want to jump to.
 
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