Obama's Aunt

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#51
Obama was not the Pres when she was first ordered to leave. If that's her only defense now then she stayed here collecting public money for 6 years too long. She shouldn't even be in the US and should be billed for the money she stole
 
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but but but shes of the holy royal blood line, we cannot let something that powerful fall into the hands of terrorists.... :-/
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, obviously it entered his mind because that was her claim -- that being related to POTUS made her a target. But as I say that's a consequence of his being the POTUS. That's just a fact. The insinuation by some on here is that he did something to influence the outcome.

The former doesn't bother me. I don't know what the facts are that the judge took in to consideration as to exactly why she would be threatened. The latter would bother me very much. But I need to see proof of that before I jump to the conclusion others want to jump to.
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I think that what some of the posters on here have a problem with is the double standard that you seem to apply in these situations. If it had been Bush, you would have used it as further proof of the corrption that was rampant in the Bush-Cheney years. When it's Obama, it takes twisting your arm to say that more proof is needed.

At least, that's the impression I get. It could be flawed, I am pretty racist.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
but but but shes of the holy royal blood line, we cannot let something that powerful fall into the hands of terrorists.... :-/
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he won't even give her lunch money so we need to quit acting like she'll be a target he cares about
 
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volinbham said:
Pretty simple:

1. President's relative is living off the public dole
2. President's relative is here illegally for an extended period of time
3. President's relative is granted asylum after having it denied.

None of these 3 look good individually for the President regardless of whether or not he directly influenced the case. Put them all together and it's not a pretty picture.

We see a preference for government vs. family help.
We see people being treated differently for who they know.
We see a vision of Obama's view of helping the less fortunate.

In short, we see the government picking winners and losers while it purports to be a fair arbiter.
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Good post.
 
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KB5252 said:
Why is a woman who's closely related to the POTUS allowed to live on the taxpayers dime when he obviously has the means to take care of her? Are we really to believe the president had nothing to do with this? If you really believe this I pity you.
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Because she is his aunt and not his mother. He may not be very close to her. I have aunts and uncles I don't care for too much and I am sure I have aunts and uncles that don't care for me either.

He has not obligation to her in any form or fashion
 
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truefan said:
Because she is his aunt and not his mother. He may not be very close to her. I have aunts and uncles I don't care for too much and I am sure I have aunts and uncles that don't care for me either.

He has not obligation to her in any form or fashion
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Why then do we?
 
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truefan said:
Because she is his aunt and not his mother. He may not be very close to her. I have aunts and uncles I don't care for too much and I am sure I have aunts and uncles that don't care for me either.

He has not obligation to her in any form or fashion
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If you're a millionaire with plenty of cash and aren't even taking care of your parents at the time, and your aunt is living in public housing, you're a douche bag. And I'm not a conservative.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I think that what some of the posters on here have a problem with is the double standard that you seem to apply in these situations. If it had been Bush, you would have used it as further proof of the corrption that was rampant in the Bush-Cheney years. When it's Obama, it takes twisting your arm to say that more proof is needed.

At least, that's the impression I get. It could be flawed, I am pretty racist.
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this is exactly the same argument both made via Haliburton and Iraq. i.e. clearly there is influence since cheney was an ex ceo and the republicans saying "show us evidence."
 
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droski said:
this is exactly the same argument both made via Haliburton and Iraq. i.e. clearly there is influence since cheney was an ex ceo and the republicans saying "show us evidence."
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That and the hidden 666 in the Halliburton logo - it's right next to the hidden swastika...
 
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droski said:
this is exactly the same argument both made via Haliburton and Iraq. i.e. clearly there is influence since cheney was an ex ceo and the republicans saying "show us evidence."
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Exactly what I was thinking when I posted that. One claim has as much evidence as the other.

Although I find it pretty funny that Micheal Moore was a stockholder of Haliburton, but that's another thread.
 
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truefan said:
Because she is his aunt and not his mother. He may not be very close to her. I have aunts and uncles I don't care for too much and I am sure I have aunts and uncles that don't care for me either.

He has not obligation to her in any form or fashion
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It has been pointed out earlier in the thread that he mentioned her in his book and spoke fondly of her. If nothing else he should have at least thrown her a bone or two for using her name in the book. He doesn't have an obligation but some things you do not because you have to but rather they are just the right thing to do.

It further perpetuates the stigma that democrats are compassionate and generous only when it comes to other peoples money. There are statistics that back this thought up to some degree.
 
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The situation with Cheney and the oil companies is not analogous.

In this case, Obama is related to the lady and she claims that relationship makes her return dangerous. A judge has agreed. There is evidently no proof or even at this point an valid argument that Obama lifted a finger to interfere in that process.

On the other hand, Cheney met with officials from energy companies, including companies that he had close ties to, to discuss energy policy. And then fought tooth and nail to keep those discussions private.

Enormous difference. In fact, not even remotely similar.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The situation with Cheney and the oil companies is not analogous.

In this case, Obama is related to the lady and she claims that relationship makes her return dangerous. A judge has agreed. There is evidently no proof or even at this point an valid argument that Obama lifted a finger to interfere in that process.

On the other hand, Cheney met with officials from energy companies, including companies that he had close ties to, to discuss energy policy. And then fought tooth and nail to keep those discussions private.

Enormous difference. In fact, not even remotely similar.
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:dance2:
 
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lawgator1 said:
In this case, Obama is related to the lady and she claims that relationship makes her return dangerous. A judge has agreed.
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he has now. So why was she even in the US for the 4 years leading up to the election? She was told to leave and broke the law by staying. Surely she wasn't in great danger by being the aunt of a little known State Senator from IL.
 
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lawgator1 said:
On the other hand, Cheney met with officials from energy companies, including companies that he had close ties to, to discuss energy policy. And then fought tooth and nail to keep those discussions private.

Enormous difference. In fact, not even remotely similar.
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why wouldn't he discuss energy policy with the world's largest and best oil servicing company? it would be far stranger if he didn't talk to them.
 
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droski said:
why wouldn't he discuss energy policy with the world's largest and best oil servicing company? it would be far stranger if he didn't talk to them.
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He should talk to them.

And we should be told was was said and what came of it, if anything.
 
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utvolpj said:
he has now. So why was she even in the US for the 4 years leading up to the election? She was told to leave and broke the law by staying. Surely she wasn't in great danger by being the aunt of a little known State Senator from IL.
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by this theory why hasn't obama's father been sent to the united states? surely he's in a hell of a lot more danger where he currently is.
 
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