Obama's Final Betrayal

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There IS little comparative data that will not be spun. The "rankings" here are obviously tainted. The UK rations care. Their system is cost effective precisely because it has a board with literally the power of life and death based on cost effectiveness.

Canadians frequently cross the border to pay for services that they either cannot get, cannot get in time, or cannot get with acceptable quality.

The inclusion of countries like Costa Rica, Chile, and Columbia expose this ranking as a fraud. No one in their right mind would want to be sick there as opposed to the US.

Interestingly it includes Greece... a country whose social programs have now literally bankrupted them as a country.

Greece is an example of what we were discussing earlier. When too much is taken from those who produce wealth and given to those who don't... the economy collapses.
 
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utgibbs said:
So the US is just plain dumb, lazy, ineffectual, and chav? If we can't judge a medical service by the metrics of civilization then it's easy to see why I take you behind the woodshed in Fulmer debates.
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The US has decision making citizens. Many are dumber than hell.
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utgibbs said:
We have a very inefficient health system that doesn't serve the population at large. We pay more for less.

That's just the way it is.
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No. It really isn't. We have an inefficient system largely because of gov't interference and mandates that STILL delivers better care than several on that list.
 
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utgibbs said:
So the US is just plain dumb, lazy, ineffectual, and chav? If we can't judge a medical service by the metrics of civilization then it's easy to see why I take you behind the woodshed in Fulmer debates.
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You're mistaking a woodshed for the shathole that apparently saw fit to let you sit in its shed looking classrooms.
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BigPapaVol said:
It's Bobby Brown's pRerogative, but he wouldn't present something like WHO findings as anything but political gibberish.
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It's sad to see you reduced to spelling police on a debate. But you've got to take some dignity away from yet another beating.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm sure you've researched the topic more than the WHO. "My Mama says...."

Take out Andorra too. Still doesn't matter. You've got to find 15 more spots.

You can wriggle, you can worm. If you want to believe the world is flat, it's your perogative. But the real world outside the back door ALWAYS wins.
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actually, I've been to Saudi Arabia.

btw, WHO rankings are heavily biased toward access and not survivability rates and quality of care.
 
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utgibbs said:
It's sad to see you reduced to spelling police on a debate. But you've got to take some dignity away from yet another beating.
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Spelling police? You simply used another word that you don't understand in the midst of another paragraph littered with fantasy and I pointed it out. My dignity is just fine.
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sjt18 said:
No. It really isn't. We have an inefficient system largely because of gov't interference and mandates that STILL delivers better care than several on that list.
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And yet every case where the government complete controls the health care system pays less, covers everybody for everything, and have better life expectancy, infant mortality, and a host of other metrics we judge civilizations by.

It's Game, Set, and Match fellers.
 
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utgibbs said:
Might be the case.

However, like I said, we'll play it however you want.

Infant mortality
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Adjust for demographics and you see an entirely different picture.
Life expectancy
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Has nothing to do with the availability or cost of healthcare. It has everything to do with our culture and health habits.
Cost per unit of care
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Interesting. We are willing to pay for higher quality and you think that is a bad thing... a strong point for systems where the consumer does not determine the acceptable level of quality but some bureaucrat does instead?

We certainly pay more for health care than anybody. We win that hands down. But the discussion was on efficiency.
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We also allow ourselves to indirectly subsidize the socialist plans you praise. ALL of those systems regulate the cost of drugs and INTENTIONALLY shift the costs of R&D to US consumers.
 
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MG1968 said:
actually, I've been to Saudi Arabia.

btw, WHO rankings are heavily biased toward access and not survivability rates and quality of care.
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The life expectancy and infant mortality rates aren't even about access. They're about at risk births and adverse lifestyle choices that impact these idiotic rankings, but are ignored in the data.
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BigPapaVol said:
Spelling police? You simply used another word that you don't understand in the midst of another paragraph littered with fantasy and I pointed it out. My dignity is just fine.
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The Bobby Brown reference was good.

Oh, I think your dog understands he can find you behind the woodshed.

I shouldn't think your dignity affected by VN. But you have comprehensively lost another debate. You thought ten and you got almost 4x that many.

At least you did realize we weren't tops by any means. You can take some pride after all!
 
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utgibbs said:
And yet every case where the government complete controls the health care system pays less, covers everybody for everything, and have better life expectancy, infant mortality, and a host of other metrics we judge civilizations by.

It's Game, Set, and Match fellers.
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this post is nothing but lies. You're no longer merely stretching the truth in support of your socialist/marxist views, you are flat out lying.
 
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utgibbs said:
And yet every case where the government complete controls the health care system pays less, covers everybody for everything, and have better life expectancy, infant mortality, and a host of other metrics we judge civilizations by.

It's Game, Set, and Match fellers.
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Nope. You have spun and regurgitated spin.... you have proven absolutely nothing to favor those systems. You certainly have done NOTHING to indicate that a private system without gov't interference cannot and will not perform MUCH better.

And we haven't even broached the threat to civil liberties posed by a socialized HC system.
 
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utgibbs said:
The Bobby Brown reference was good.

Oh, I think your dog understands he can find you behind the woodshed.

I shouldn't think your dignity affected by VN. But you have comprehensively lost another debate. You thought ten and you got almost 4x that many.

At least you did realize we weren't tops by any means. You can take some pride after all!
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Try harder.
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MG1968 said:
actually, I've been to Saudi Arabia.

btw, WHO rankings are heavily biased toward access and not survivability rates and quality of care.
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They actually focus on access, survivability and quality of care, but who's counting????

I've been to the Kingdom as well. :hi:
 
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utgibbs, here is MY bottom line. I would rather have freedom and rights than "secure" health care provided by a nanny state. If you don't share that view then you already gave a long list of "better places" you can go to... There is nowhere else that we can go. LEAVE US ALONE.
 
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sjt18 said:
Adjust for demographics and you see an entirely different picture.
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Not really. This is the veiled "black people in the US bring everything down."

Take one of the "worst" in Europe - the UK.

Their white population does a lot better than our white population as far as life expectancy and overall health. In addition, they have plenty of "demographics" too.
 
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sjt18 said:
utgibbs, here is MY bottom line. I would rather have freedom and rights than "secure" health care provided by a nanny state. If you don't share that view then you already gave a long list of "better places" you can go to... There is nowhere else that we can go. LEAVE US ALONE.
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Earlier, you wanted efficiency. I gave you efficiency, now you're mad that the real world doesn't meet your ideology. Well, either you're tough enough to take it, or maybe you do need the nanny state?

Either way, health care is a basic human right - ERGO, it fits right into your system anyway. You want freedom and rights. Health care is a basic human right.

Disco. No big deal. Calm down.
 
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MG1968 said:
this post is nothing but lies. You're no longer merely stretching the truth in support of your socialist/marxist views, you are flat out lying.
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It happens.

Typically when you have views that most don't follow, it leads to bending and eventually lying to try to make those feel better about it. Its currently on Americas doorstep.
 
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utgibbs said:
As I say, we aren't far apart as y'all pretend.
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utgibbs said:
Earlier, you wanted efficiency. I gave you efficiency, now you're mad that the real world doesn't meet your ideology. Well, either you're tough enough to take it, or maybe you do need the nanny state?

Either way, health care is a basic human right - ERGO, it fits right into your system anyway. You want freedom and rights. Health care is a basic human right.

Disco. No big deal. Calm down.
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The bold makes the above a joke.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It happens.

Typically when you have views that most don't follow, it leads to bending and eventually lying to try to make those feel better about it. Its currently on Americas doorstep.
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gibbs' Marxist idols were nothing if not excellent liars, although when you control the press, the means of production, and the folks with guns, there is no need for telling the truth.
 
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