Obama's Health Care Reform

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orangeblooded2 said:
Bottom line, I'm for health care period.

This situation has been unfolding for a generation+.It should have and could have been a done deal years ago,if American companies weren't so selfishly greedy.
If it fails then we can tweak it as we go.
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Those "greedy companies' won't be out of business but they will be guaranteed payment by the US Treasury when the dust all settles.

UT IE 95 said:
That's the problem with a lot of the loonie far rights on this board. It's not a socialization of healthcare. It's fixing what's wrong and making it better for those that have coverage now. If he can pull it off, it'll be a win-win.

The wacky right needs something to complain about so you'll hear them use terms like "socialist" and such.
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The problem with loonie lefts is that they don't know what they're talking about, all they can do is manage to regurgitate leftist political rhetoric.

Be specific;

1. what is the problem?
2. what is the fix?

How the heck can you not say it is socialized health care??

The problem with lefties is that they can't get in any discussion and not use words like 'loonie' and 'wacky' when the limits of their understanding are reached.
 
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allvol123 said:
So don't pretend the new administration is not trying to take us somewhere else. They are.
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I have pretended no such thing. They are absolutely proposing to take us somewhere else - a change I support as necessary.

It's going to be hardest on the current free-loaders of the system. A change that is overdue and needs someone with guts to make it happen.
 
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gsvol said:
The problem with lefties is that they can't get in any discussion and not use words like 'loonie' and 'wacky' when the limits of their understanding are reached.
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I use words like loonie and wacky beacuse that's what that fringe of society is. There are many reasonable conservatives and liberals alike. I'm not talking about those people.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I use words like loonie and wacky beacuse that's what that fringe of society is. There are many reasonable conservatives and liberals alike. I'm not talking about those people.
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Then I suppose you are talking about yourself, you're not talking about me!
 
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UT IE 95 said:
How so. You negotiate? The only choice you have: Pay it, or not.

And it's getting out of control that if you are on the paying side - you get billed more to cover the loss from the non-payers.
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But now you're going to mandated to cover all non payers, qhich will see their ranks grow by the millions. What a deal.
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UT IE 95 said:
I have pretended no such thing. They are absolutely proposing to take us somewhere else - a change I support as necessary.

It's going to be hardest on the current free-loaders of the system. A change that is overdue and needs someone with guts to make it happen.
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What? The current freeloaders now get to so it without the threat of collections, credit hits and bankruptcy. We've just made the freeloader route the best option.

In fact, I'm an idiot to continue paying for mine, because my premiums and payments, which today pay for freeloaders will continue climbing, plus I'll have new taxes to boot in paying for more freeloaders.
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BigPapaVol said:
What? The current freeloaders now get to so it without the threat of collections, credit hits and bankruptcy. We've just made the freeloader route the best option.

In fact, I'm an idiot to continue paying for mine, because my premiums and payments, which today pay for freeloaders will continue climbing, plus I'll have new taxes to boot in paying for more freeloaders.
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I agree, we've made it a gravy train for the freeloaders. This admin will work to change that system. If you're a freeloader, fine - but you get in line and get your service monitored by the gov-ment. If you're covered in a group plan or self insured, you quit directly and indirectly paying for the freeloaders.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I agree, we've made it a gravy train for the freeloaders. This admin will work to change that system. If you're a freeloader, fine - but you get in line and get your service monitored by the gov-ment. If you're covered in a group plan or self insured, you quit directly and indirectly paying for the freeloaders.
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How? We're paying absolutely directly now to the gov't. , i assume you view the government bureaucracy as the worst and most disastrously expensive sort of indirectly, so how will it be better. It will cost more and long term the care will degrade.
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UT IE 95 said:
I agree, we've made it a gravy train for the freeloaders. This admin will work to change that system. If you're a freeloader, fine - but you get in line and get your service monitored by the gov-ment. If you're covered in a group plan or self insured, you quit directly and indirectly paying for the freeloaders.
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please expain just who will pay for their coverage in BHO's plan...if they can not afford to pay now....just please enlighten me
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How? We're paying absolutely directly now to the gov't. , i assume you view the government bureaucracy as the worst and most disastrously expensive sort of indirectly, so how will it be better. It will cost more and long term the care will degrade.
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I ran a stress test last month that was billed $10K. $10K!! That's about a $500 test.

When I raised hell, I was told by the hospital that I was billed that amount to cover the expense of the people that get the same test and don't pay. You better believe it happens all the time - especially if you are covered in a group insurance plan.

It's time to stop that. If you have insurance - nothing changes except the billing returns to a sensible level. If you are a freeloader, get on the government plan and have your care managed and paid for by the man.

Good for me - bad for the freeloaders.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I ran a stress test last month that was billed $10K. $10K!! That's about a $500 test.

When I raised hell, I was told by the hospital that I was billed that amount to cover the expense of the people that get the same test and don't pay. You better believe it happens all the time - especially if you are covered in a group insurance plan.

It's time to stop that. If you have insurance - nothing changes except the billing returns to a sensible level. If you are a freeloader, get on the government plan and have your care managed and paid for by the man.

Good for me - bad for the freeloaders.
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You have an enormous misconception of the new plan and you bought a bill of goods that you were sold.
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T-TownVol said:
please expain just who will pay for their coverage in BHO's plan...if they can not afford to pay now....just please enlighten me
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You will continue the direct payments - taxes. But the indirect fleacing will get exposed for what it is.

If you can't pay for it, then get in line with everyone else that can't pay.

Today there is one line of service, with everyone in it. It's about time we divide that line into the privately insured and the government insured.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You will continue the direct payments - taxes. But the indirect fleacing will get exposed for what it is.

If you can't pay for it, then get in line with everyone else that can't pay.

Today there is one line of service, with everyone in it. It's about time we divide that line into the privately insured and the government insured.
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List for me the huge group of industries in which fleecing decreased due to gov'e insertion. I know it will take some time as the list will be be huge. In fact, I'd guess it will be somewhere around zero or less.
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#67
#67
three words, "rationed health care"

if UT IE 95 doesn't believe that socialized medicine will actually reduce his access, he's delusional. All he has to do is read Tom Daschle's book to find out where the Obama administration wants to take the US.

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UT IE 95 said:
Interesting that you think I was talking about you in the first place.
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Ignorant of you to assume anything about what I was thinking unless you are claiming some sort of clairvoyance!!!

I'm just pointing out that your use of such juvenile rhetoric does nothing to promote your argument, whether it be rather informed, or rather ignorant.

Just so you don't jumped to another ill advised conclusion, I find your arguments to be along ideological lines rather than logical ones.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
List for me the huge group of industries in which fleecing decreased due to gov'e insertion. I know it will take some time as the list will be be huge. In fact, I'd guess it will be somewhere around zero or less.
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I hate big government. We've seen it grow at an incredible rate for the last eight years and it's gotten us no where.

But health care is an area that we are left no other option in my opinion.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I hate big government. We've seen it grow at an incredible rate for the last eight years and it's gotten us no where.

But health care is an area that we are left no other option in my opinion.
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and there it is folks, UT IE 95 has bought into Obama's BS that "only the government" can solve this problem.
 
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gsvol said:
Ignorant of you to assume anything about what I was thinking unless you are claiming some sort of clairvoyance!!!

I'm just pointing out that your use of such juvenile rhetoric does nothing to promote your argument, whether it be rather informed, or rather ignorant.

Just so you don't jumped to another ill advised conclusion, I find your arguments to be along ideological lines rather than logical ones.
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Another example proving losers will always be losers.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You will continue the direct payments - taxes. But the indirect fleacing will get exposed for what it is.

If you can't pay for it, then get in line with everyone else that can't pay.

Today there is one line of service, with everyone in it. It's about time we divide that line into the privately insured and the government insured.
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that is mind boggling that you can think this way, you have just laid out health care based on class, unbelievable
you also failed to answer my question as to who pays for the people that can not pay for their "government provided" insurance...your senorio has me paying for mine and theirs and the idea that the government issued healthcare will come down in cost...unbelievable
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I hate big government. We've seen it grow at an incredible rate for the last eight years and it's gotten us no where.

But health care is an area that we are left no other option in my opinion.
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but you are promoting it with this
 
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