Obama's Health Care Reform

#76
#76
UT IE 95 said:
Like it or not, it's the best plan for me.
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It's also best for freeloaders and leeches, but that doesn't make it viable or efficient. It's a disaster of an entitlement dying to become entrenched.
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#78
#78
T-TownVol said:
that is mind boggling that you can think this way, you have just laid out health care based on class, unbelievable
you also failed to answer my question as to who pays for the people that can not pay for their "government provided" insurance...your senorio has me paying for mine and theirs and the idea that the government issued healthcare will come down in cost...unbelievable
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The same people that pay for it today. It'll get managed and thus, decrease the useless health care provided to the free loaders today.
 
#80
#80
MG1968 said:
keep believing that your supposed "right" to healthcare involves no responsibility on your part.
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I have complete responsibilty as a self insured person. Thus the future bodes well for me being able to get the best service from the best doctor.
 
#82
#82
UT IE 95 said:
I have complete responsibilty as a self insured person. Thus the future bodes well for me being able to get the best service from the best doctor.
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spoken like a true bourgeois socialist. thank you for finally admitting your true nature.
 
#83
#83
We spend too much money on health care. We should spend it to research ways to make people indestrucable.
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#84
#84
RhodeIslandVol said:
We spend too much money on health care. We should spend it to research ways to make people indestrucable.
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Jack Daniels and George Dickel have already done that. Unfortunately, the indestructability is both temporary and mental in nature.
 
#87
#87
vols4sure said:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Health Care

Since Obama's health care reform is going to be a huge part of his administration, what are people's thoughts? I don't know much about it, but I always hear the arguments that the level of health care will decrease, anything the govt has control over they mess up, etc.

I guess my main question, are we basically going to be copying the Canadian and European systems? Are those systems working well?
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healthcare for everyone is one thing - -and pick your sides. The real issue is cost and that issue is driven by litigation. Medical malpractice insurance ranges anywhere from 25-55% of all medical costs. The change needs to be to our litigious culture and medical malpractice. Cut that out and medical coverage becomes available for so many more.

Socialized health care isn't the answer, but if anyone subscribes that our health care system is "healthy" (meaning efficient, cost effective, etc) then I wholly disagree with that.
 
#88
#88
VolByBirth said:
healthcare for everyone is one thing - -and pick your sides. The real issue is cost and that issue is driven by litigation. Medical malpractice insurance ranges anywhere from 25-55% of all medical costs. The change needs to be to our litigious culture and medical malpractice. Cut that out and medical coverage becomes available for so many more.

Socialized health care isn't the answer, but if anyone subscribes that our health care system is "healthy" (meaning efficient, cost effective, etc) then I wholly disagree with that.
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what i "subscribe" to is that nothing that the government runs will be worth having
 
#89
#89
I would just like to point out that there is a reason people in socialist countries fly to the US to have medical work done out of their pocket. Do we really want the people that run the postal service and social security telling us what medical care we can and can't have??
 
#90
#90
lumberjack4 said:
I would just like to point out that there is a reason people in socialist countries fly to the US to have medical work done out of their pocket. Do we really want the people that run the postal service and social security telling us what medical care we can and can't have??
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This is the biggest problem I have with socialized medicine. There are mountains of statistics that show the healthcare provided by these programs are terrible, and mainly because the government tries to use their control of it to dictate what people can or can't do with their lives. And frankly, they have every right to since they are footing the bill. Are you overweight? Do you smoke? Is your lifestyle at all remotely considered unhealthy by some pinhead working for the government? Well, if it is no treatment for you because you are a burden to society. You need an MRI or a biopsy to diagnose a very curable cancer? Ok, you are scheduled, come back in 6 months when the untreated cancer has then ravaged your body.

There are two large factors to why healthcare is so expensive. Number one is the malpractice issues stated above. It has gotten more and more outrageous over time. When you have treatment done, especially surgeries, there is a risk. So when you suffer from a known risk factor from that treatment, that should not empower you to become an instant millionaire from it. IE I had a surgery on my ear to fix conductive hearing loss, and it failed. The failure was a risk, and yes it made things worse not better, but I knew that was a chance going into it. Now had the guy messed up my right ear instead of my left that needed surgery, ya I'd have a lawyer. But there are alot of people who would have sued regardless and probably would have won.

The other factor is insurance. The industry is messed up from top to bottom, because a significant portion of the population doesn't pay for anything at the actual point of purchase. They just go in, get treatment, pay their copay, and the insurance takes care of the rest. They are literally spending hundreds of dollars a month to save tens. That third party causes alot of price bloat, and I never realised it until I got my hearing aides. When I went to the Ear Nose Throat place, my hearing tests were in the hundreds of dollars, because they were heavily funded with insurance. Hearing aides are not that widely insured, so the place I go to now that just does those, a hearing test is 20 bucks. Yes, I pay that out of pocket, but if all stuff were that cheap I wouldn't have to fork over 1000+ bucks a month to have insurance.

Insurance was never meant to cover every last little medical expense. It was meant for the absolute catastrophic events that are unforeseeable, and that is how it should go back to.
 
#91
#91
orangeblooded2 said:
Bottom line, I'm for health care period.

This situation has been unfolding for a generation+.It should have and could have been a done deal years ago,if American companies weren't so selfishly greedy.
If it fails then we can tweak it as we go.
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Yeah, I'm stunned doctors that are $200,000 in debt by the time they complete their training are concerned with making money.
 
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