Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+)

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Vol knight said:
Been a massive star wars fan since i was 5 (I watched the original trilogy on vhs millions of times as a kid), but Disney Star Wars is a disaster.
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Rebels - excellent
TFA - good (albeit derivative)
Rogue One - excellent
Resistance - meh
TLJ - good (yeah I said it) but divisive for “reasons”
Solo - Good
Mando S1 - EXCELLENT
RoS - terrible
CW S7 - Excellent
Mando S2 - EXCELLENT
Bad Batch - Good
Boba Fett/Mando 2.5 - Good (although slow)
Obiwan - Good so far

While I have issues with the sequel trilogy as a whole overall I give Disney a passing grade. Does any of it capture the lightning in a bottle that was the OT? Of course not (although Mando comes closest). Is the majority of it better than the prequels? Yes.
 
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Vol knight said:
Been a massive star wars fan since i was 5 (I watched the original trilogy on vhs millions of times as a kid), but Disney Star Wars is a disaster.
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Come on; you’re seriously tellling me everything Disney has done since they got the rights has been “a disaster”?

Maybe it’s just not for you anymore and you should stick to the originals. And this is from someone who thought TFA is overrated, TLJ is at best meh, and TROS is a trainwreck.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Rebels - excellent
TFA - good (albeit derivative)
Rogue One - excellent
Resistance - meh
TLJ - good (yeah I said it) but divisive for “reasons”
Solo - Good
Mando S1 - EXCELLENT
RoS - terrible
CW S7 - Excellent
Mando S2 - EXCELLENT
Bad Batch - Good
Boba Fett/Mando 2.5 - Good (although slow)
Obiwan - Good so far

While I have issues with the sequel trilogy as a whole overall I give Disney a passing grade. Does any of it capture the lightning in a bottle that was the OT? Of course not (although Mando comes closest). Is the majority of it better than the prequels? Yes.
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VolsSportsFan said:
Come on; you’re seriously tellling me everything Disney has done since they got the rights has been “a disaster”?

Maybe it’s just not for you anymore and you should stick to the originals. And this is from someone who thought TFA is overrated, TLJ is at best meh, and TROS is a trainwreck.
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Y’all help me understand the hate for Rise of Skywalker. I mean y’all act like it was worse than Last Jedi, which is easily the weakest of the new trilogy.

I love RoS, thought it was excellent. What don’t y’all like about it?
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Y’all help me understand the hate for Rise of Skywalker. I mean y’all act like it was worse than Last Jedi, which is easily the weakest of the new trilogy.

I love RoS, thought it was excellent. What don’t y’all like about it?
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The return of Palpatine out of nowhere and his fleet of Star Destoyers that was built without anyone knowing. The fetch quest. None of the emotional moments were earned. The complete back tracking of TLJ which actually pushed SW forward. Rey calling herself a Skywalker for no apparent reason but really being a Palpatine. And I may have just been reading into it but after the TLJ backlash it was almost like the actors just wanted to get it over with. Particularly John Boega.

To be fair the blame really isn’t on that movie alone. It starts with the stupid non-plan to have 3 directors on a trilogy and let them all do their own thing. First part was nostalgia fest to get the fans back into it. Second actually tried to push SW forward but pissed off half the fan base. Third fired director only to try to backtrack and acquiesce to the worst part of the fan base.

From what I know about Trevorrow’s original script for IX it would have been a much better wrap up to the trilogy.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The return of Palpatine out of nowhere and his fleet of Star Destoyers that was built without anyone knowing. The fetch quest. None of the emotional moments were earned. The complete back tracking of TLJ which actually pushed SW forward. Rey calling herself a Skywalker for no apparent reason but really being a Palpatine. And I may have just been reading into it but after the TLJ backlash it was almost like the actors just wanted to get it over with. Particularly John Boega.

To be fair the blame really isn’t on that movie alone. It starts with the stupid non-plan to have 3 directors on a trilogy and let them all do their own thing. First part was nostalgia fest to get the fans back into it. Second actually tried to push SW forward but pissed off half the fan base. Third fired director only to try to backtrack and acquiesce to the worst part of the fan base.

From what I know about Trevorrow’s original script for IX it would have been a much better wrap up to the trilogy.
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I don't think it was just the backlash to TLJ, I think they also knew ROS was a mess. To be clear, I think most of TLJ is a mess too. In both, Finn had nothing to do but scream "REY!", TLJ had the casino scene which gave me heavy prequel flashbacks, and Phasma is an even bigger waste of a character. Although I guess we can look forward to 10 years from now a Disney+ show for her that shows how she survived and redeemed herself. And I still don't like what they did with Luke Skywalker and I felt Snoke was a giant waste of a character.

The original trilogy plan sounded like it was a bit too much retread but it sounded better than what we got.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The return of Palpatine out of nowhere and his fleet of Star Destoyers that was built without anyone knowing. The fetch quest. None of the emotional moments were earned. The complete back tracking of TLJ which actually pushed SW forward. Rey calling herself a Skywalker for no apparent reason but really being a Palpatine. And I may have just been reading into it but after the TLJ backlash it was almost like the actors just wanted to get it over with. Particularly John Boega.

To be fair the blame really isn’t on that movie alone. It starts with the stupid non-plan to have 3 directors on a trilogy and let them all do their own thing. First part was nostalgia fest to get the fans back into it. Second actually tried to push SW forward but pissed off half the fan base. Third fired director only to try to backtrack and acquiesce to the worst part of the fan base.

From what I know about Trevorrow’s original script for IX it would have been a much better wrap up to the trilogy.
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think it was just the backlash to TLJ, I think they also knew ROS was a mess. To be clear, I think most of TLJ is a mess too. In both, Finn had nothing to do but scream "REY!", TLJ had the casino scene which gave me heavy prequel flashbacks, and Phasma is an even bigger waste of a character. Although I guess we can look forward to 10 years from now a Disney+ show for her that shows how she survived and redeemed herself. And I still don't like what they did with Luke Skywalker and I felt Snoke was a giant waste of a character.

The original trilogy plan sounded like it was a bit too much retread but it sounded better than what we got.
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I guess I just don’t know much about the other proposed trilogy by comparison, but I loved this new trilogy. I thought Kylo Ren was an exceptionally good character, probably the best overall character in the 3 trilogies in terms of story arc. Rey was also really solid to me as a hero.

I understand the gripe about Palpatine returning, but it didn’t surprise me. Clearly they had Rey queued up from the beginning to have an extremely powerful bloodline with the force, and not everyone can be related to the Skywalkers.

In regards to her calling herself Skywalker, I thought that was a nice touch actually. Once Palpatine was gone she literally had no family, she could be anyone she wanted. Skywalker makes sense.

Ultimately, is there plenty to gripe about in this trilogy? Sure. But there’s probably just as much to gripe about in the original trilogy. Force Awakens and Rise are phenomenal movies, Last Jedi is bearable.
 
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#109
I will say this about Last Jedi as it pertains to the rest of the trilogy….

They absolutely blew an opportunity with Finn. TLJ came out when Game of Thrones was at peak popularity, and one of the key reasons why Thrones was so good was because they would kill off main characters and shock the world. They had an absolute layup opportunity to kill off Finn at the end of TLJ, it would have been shocking and gotten plenty of discussion from fans. Aside from killing off a main character, we also could have had a situation where a Stormtrooper ultimately gave his life for the Resistance. That could have been the “spark” they kept alluding to all movie long to keep them going. It would have been brilliant and ballsy writing.

But nope, instead we got “I saved you, dummy”, the stupidest line in all of Star Wars. Followed by the second stupidest line “That’s how we’re gonna win. Not by killing what we hate, but by saving what we love.”

No sweetheart…. you’re gonna have to kill the First Order, that’s how you’re gonna win.

That was all so so so bad.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Y’all help me understand the hate for Rise of Skywalker. I mean y’all act like it was worse than Last Jedi, which is easily the weakest of the new trilogy.

I love RoS, thought it was excellent. What don’t y’all like about it?
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I didn't hate it. It was obviously difficult to come in and and try and change directions after Johnson took it in such a different path. Bringing Palatine back could be seen as cool or lazy depending on your perspective.

I personally think Lucas ran this thing into the ditch the second an Ewok showed up. Lucas directed one good film, the original Star Wars. Then he brought in Kershner for Empire and he took it to a new level.

The original Star Wars was such good storytelling and so unique, people let a lot of things slide that even an average director would have corrected. Leia has a bizarre mild British accent early in the film that just goes away. Luke and Leia have basically zero mourning for the loss of their parents (and Leia's entire planet).


I understand that there's some nostalgia currently for the prequels....hey, to each their own. But for me they were just really, really bad and full of George's arrogance. The dialogue was so bad that he made Liam, Ewan and Portman look like they couldn't act. He was also bent on selecting a couple of no-names to play young/older Anakin and they were just awful. And despite all the negative feedback after Phantom, he insisted on keeping Jar Jar in the films. He's the worst character in Star Wars history and one of the worst in cinematic history. And all three movies look like the live actors have been dropped into a cartoon setting. Also the massive war was started over some confusing trade route nonsense.

Probably the worst thing about the prequels for me, was how useless they made Yoda. He couldn't sense a sith right under his nose, he didn't defeat Dooku or Palpatine in their one on ones and he oversaw the army that killed his whole team. Well, time to go hide now!

Lucas definitely needed to sell the franchise. Disney may not have been the perfect partner but they have had some bright moments. I think Mando is the best Star Wars content since Empire. Rogue One was a darn good movie that got high marks from critics and fans.

I hope they'll now move in to a totally new timeline. I'd love a series or a set of movies that show the origins of the Jedi, Sith and Old Republic or High Republic or whatever it's called. It's a blank slate that could be built into something awesome (are you listening Kevin Feige)
 
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#112
knox-townVOL said:
I will say this about Last Jedi as it pertains to the rest of the trilogy….

They absolutely blew an opportunity with Finn. TLJ came out when Game of Thrones was at peak popularity, and one of the key reasons why Thrones was so good was because they would kill off main characters and shock the world. They had an absolute layup opportunity to kill off Finn at the end of TLJ, it would have been shocking and gotten plenty of discussion from fans. Aside from killing off a main character, we also could have had a situation where a Stormtrooper ultimately gave his life for the Resistance. That could have been the “spark” they kept alluding to all movie long to keep them going. It would have been brilliant and ballsy writing.

But nope, instead we got “I saved you, dummy”, the stupidest line in all of Star Wars. Followed by the second stupidest line “That’s how we’re gonna win. Not by killing what we hate, but by saving what we love.”

No sweetheart…. you’re gonna have to kill the First Order, that’s how you’re gonna win.

That was all so so so bad.
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I think TLJ is the best one of the sequels and went round and round explaining why in the thread back when it came out.

But I do acknowledge it has warts. Finn’s story as whole was ball drop.

To your earlier point, yea the OT is full of holes, stupid logic, and contradictions itself a lot. That’s what it’s easy for me to not take this stuff so seriously and just enjoy the ride for what it is.

I think RoS was thrown together in a sloppy why because there was no plan about what to do with these characters from the beginning. For all the faults of the Prequels is the only set that actually had a thought out through line for all 3 films.
 
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#113
butchna said:
The Inquisitors is a new angle for those who didn’t watch the animated series…as well as other Jedi who escaped Order 66.
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Yes, the Quinlan Vos mention certainly has me curious as to whether or not he makes an appearance in the last couple of episodes.

But the more intriguing portion was learning Obi-Wan had a family that he remembered.
 
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#114
Grand Vol said:
Yes, the Quinlan Vos mention certainly has me curious as to whether or not he makes an appearance in the last couple of episodes.

But the more intriguing portion was learning Obi-Wan had a family that he remembered.
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Yeah that jumped out at me too. Hardly any chatter about it because they either too busy geeking out over Vader or whining about continuity or Disney in general.

A podcast I listen to said there is a Legends story that alluded to Obiwan and Owen Lars being step brothers or something. They said it predates AotC though and was pretty much wiped away as soon Anakin’s mother was tied to Owen’s father.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Yeah that jumped out at me too. Hardly any chatter about it because they either too busy geeking out over Vader or whining about continuity or Disney in general.

A podcast I listen to said there is a Legends story that alluded to Obiwan and Owen Lars being step brothers or something. They said it predates AotC though and was pretty much wiped away as soon Anakin’s mother was tied to Owen’s father.
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Apparently, it was one of those ideas that ended up as non-canon when they made the move to Disney.

But then again, it wouldn't surprise me since Tatooine has pretty much been central to the entire storyline.
 
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#116
burntorangeVOLffle said:
Rebels - excellent
TFA - good (albeit derivative)
Rogue One - excellent
Resistance - meh
TLJ - good (yeah I said it) but divisive for “reasons”
Solo - Good
Mando S1 - EXCELLENT
RoS - terrible
CW S7 - Excellent
Mando S2 - EXCELLENT
Bad Batch - Good
Boba Fett/Mando 2.5 - Good (although slow)
Obiwan - Good so far

While I have issues with the sequel trilogy as a whole overall I give Disney a passing grade. Does any of it capture the lightning in a bottle that was the OT? Of course not (although Mando comes closest). Is the majority of it better than the prequels? Yes.
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My thoughts? In chronological order:

Ep 1 TPM: Kinda meh to an extent, but it had to start somewhere and the Darth Maul fight scene was done up right
Ep 2 AOTC: Taking the love scenes out, it was pretty dang good IMO. Showed the Jedi in their prime
Clone Wars movie: Didn't care for it to an extent since I didn't like the snarky little **** Ahsoka was to start with. It has kinda grown on me though
Clone Wars the series: Awesome and gives the background for Ep 3 you didn't get in the movies. I loved all the backstories with the different characters
Ep 3 ROTS: Getting past the horrid acting and dialog, it really was a good movie. The Anakin/Vader-Obi-Wan fight scene was epic
Bad Batch: Kinda meh. Not bad, not good, just kinda there
Kenobi: So far, so good. Not what I was expecting, but good so far
Solo: Grew on me after a while. Didn't like it at first, but it has its charm now
Rebels: Enjoyed it and loved some of the extended background on certain characters as well as the new arcs
Rogue One: Awesome, just pure awesome
Ep 4 ANH: Of course it's awesome
Ep 5 ESB: And awesome
Ep 6 ROTJ: And awesome... even the Ewoks have grown on me
Mando S1 and S2: Awesome
Boba Fett (Mando 2.5): Not bad. Best part was the Luke and Ahsoka scene and bringing back Cad Bane
Resistance: Couldn't get past two or three episodes without losing interest
Ep 7 TFA: Would have been okay had they not gone and screwed it up royally with the sequels and pretty much remade Ep 4 and gone all Mary Sue with Rey
Ep 8 TLJ: ****ing horrible on every level
Ep 9 ROS: W... T... F... complete lack of creativity and there was no way to recover from Ep 8
 
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Grand Vol said:
My thoughts? In chronological order:

Ep 1 TPM: Kinda meh to an extent, but it had to start somewhere and the Darth Maul fight scene was done up right
Ep 2 AOTC: Taking the love scenes out, it was pretty dang good IMO. Showed the Jedi in their prime
Clone Wars movie: Didn't care for it to an extent since I didn't like the snarky little **** Ahsoka was to start with. It has kinda grown on me though
Clone Wars the series: Awesome and gives the background for Ep 3 you didn't get in the movies. I loved all the backstories with the different characters
Ep 3 ROTS: Getting past the horrid acting and dialog, it really was a good movie. The Anakin/Vader-Obi-Wan fight scene was epic
Bad Batch: Kinda meh. Not bad, not good, just kinda there
Kenobi: So far, so good. Not what I was expecting, but good so far
Solo: Grew on me after a while. Didn't like it at first, but it has its charm now
Rebels: Enjoyed it and loved some of the extended background on certain characters as well as the new arcs
Rogue One: Awesome, just pure awesome
Ep 4 ANH: Of course it's awesome
Ep 5 ESB: And awesome
Ep 6 ROTJ: And awesome... even the Ewoks have grown on me
Mando S1 and S2: Awesome
Boba Fett (Mando 2.5): Not bad. Best part was the Luke and Ahsoka scene and bringing back Cad Bane
Resistance: Couldn't get past two or three episodes without losing interest
Ep 7 TFA: Would have been okay had they not gone and screwed it up royally with the sequels and pretty much remade Ep 4 and gone all Mary Sue with Rey
Ep 8 TLJ: ****ing horrible on every level
Ep 9 ROS: W... T... F... complete lack of creativity and there was no way to recover from Ep 8
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I don’t think I’ve ever had more opposite opinions to any person in my life 😂

Man there is nothing good about AOTC. Nothing.

To say it was good, and The Force Awakens is bad, there’s just no way you really believe that.
 
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#118
I feel like this show is wasting the potential of the Third Sister. It's more like a little girl throwing a tantrum than an actual sith
 
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#119
Rishvol said:
I feel like this show is wasting the potential of the Third Sister. It's more like a little girl throwing a tantrum than an actual sith
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They aren’t Sith. They are force sensitive and tap the Dark Side but barely on a padawan level.
 
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The end of episode 4 has a scene so stupid I can’t believe they actually put it in the show. Even my child was laughing and saying no way.
 
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