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General_Neyland

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Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
 
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MurphyVol said:
It's strange to keep the same simplistic system and go slow.

Maybe the OC is bad...maybe he's hamstrung with the online, WRs. It's obvious they don't trust their QB to do too much.
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The OC is the head coach, and the QB is a RS Freshman that won 10 games, not on his own, hut still.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
The OC is the head coach, and the QB is a RS Freshman that won 10 games, not on his own, hut still.
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Well is JH is truly calling the plays by himself then he's lying to everyone when he says he isn't. Yes he listens in on every play but supposedly the OC calls them. Whoever calls them is struggling..either with scheme or limitations.

One thing I'm so looking forward to is for everyone to stop calling Nico a freshman. He's no different than a sophomore that didn't start the prior year.. except he was given the prior years bowl game prep time.
 
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General_Neyland said:
maybe, would have at least taken some pressure off of them. Open the field up. We showed up to Columbus with nothing and left with yet another road loss.
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A "run first" team without the star runner isn't going look like world beaters.

Once they figured out we were not able to gash them running, they stopped worrying about the run and came at Nico hard making passing difficult unless our receivers got quick separation. Sometimes Nico just missed them, sometimes he was running for his life, sometimes we called the QB draw option (see it fast, throw it, if it's not there, tuck it and run.)

Nothing worked but it goes back to the "run first" offense not having our RB who has carried us to the playoffs.
 
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General_Neyland said:
maybe, would have at least taken some pressure off of them. Open the field up. We showed up to Columbus with nothing and left with yet another road loss.
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Idk what was going on with Sampson but it’s damn hard to make up for the loss of his production in a game. Play calling possibly could be better but it’s really hard with an Oline that plays like we did last night. If you want to point to lack of development at that position I think you definitely have a case; I’m just not sure how you win a game with that line play. Could’ve done some things but we weren't winning.

I think we had a lot of injuries with a lot of players and really didn’t have backups good enough to step in and step up. Campbell was playing on bad knees all year, Heard played half the season out of shape due to injury, Coop’s whole career has been plagued with nagging injuries and when he has to sit like Florida 2023 our whole Oline falls apart. WR seems like the same issue as well; when is the last time Squirrel was healthy out there, yet we have no reliable backup at slot that can go in and be depended on?
 
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General_Neyland said:
maybe, would have at least taken some pressure off of them. Open the field up. We showed up to Columbus with nothing and left with yet another road loss.
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The definition of insanity, we all know it. And that’s exactly what we’ve done against teams with a pulse, Alabama notwithstanding. I would have expected something more along those lines or even UGA against tOSU last night. Maybe not winning but fighting and providing a competitive game.

What we got should concern us all. 3 weeks to prepare and we got the equivalent of a college kid never cracking a book, showing up to class the bare minimum and showing up to finals expecting to just barely pass.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Agree, but think last year w/ Milton and this year w/ Nico limitations, and WR limitations, I think he slowed tempo this year on purpose, since we generally had to lean on our D and Sampson. Ultimately, we don't have the talent at WR position. Bru and Thorton, our best two WRs were banged up much of the year, but as much as I appreciate them, they are either late draft or free agents in the NFL draft.
 
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I have come to really dislike our offensive scheme. I don't think that changes much with CJH as the coach. I'm afraid there's no good answer here. We are what we are for the foreseeable future.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Just a thought. Maybe it's not the coaching? Maybe our players can't run that pace? In 2022, Heupels main contributors on offense were Pruitt recruits. To be honest, I'm not really sold on our current staffs ability to evaluate and develop players.
 
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If the defense didn't sh!t the bed in the first quarter this is a different game. Do the vols still win? Not sure. Offense has just been plain slow AF to do anything consistently against good teams. Ohio had all the motivation and momentum going into this game after Michigan "Ponce DeLeOwned" them on their own field.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Just a thought. Maybe it's not the coaching? Maybe our players can't run that pace? In 2022, Heupels main contributors on offense were Pruitt recruits. To be honest, I'm not really sold on our current staffs ability to evaluate and develop players.
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Could be. But someone has to be accountable for that. So far, as far as Heupel will go is “we’ve all got to get better” and things keep going as they always have. We aren’t developing these players and our coaching since 2022 has been scarily uncreative.

We’ve been in the wilderness for so long, it’s amazing what Heupel has done. But will we compete for championships with him and his misfit staff? Jury is still out, but last night was a reality check that none of us want to face.
 
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Totally agree, I thought it was Heupel’s offense but I think it may have been Golesh that was pulling the trigger. I’m not a fan of out defensive coordinater and never have been. He wins with players, but gets out coached often by other teams.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Our offense hasn't looked the same since 2022. I'm not sure why we don't run some of those plays from 2022. One example, the three receiver formation on one side that would confuse the defense and Hyatt would be wide open. I know Hyatt had speed, but that wasn't the key factor of him being 10 steps behind a DB, it was the confusion of the play.

But back to your post, Heupel from my understanding, calls the offensive plays. This year, Heupel looks like he is calling Fulmer plays. Heupel had 3 weeks to get ready for this game and he got out coached terribly.

The OL looked like they had never played a game of football before.
 
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ntxVOL said:
I have come to really dislike our offensive scheme. I don't think that changes much with CJH as the coach. I'm afraid there's no good answer here. We are what we are for the foreseeable future.
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I’m willing to bet that your opinion of the scheme would have changed if Sampson had played, and gone for 160 yards and two TDs and stolen 1-2 possessions from OSUs offense. That being said, we never threw a pass more than 25 yards downfield and the TEs just disappeared. Disappointing game.
 
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airvols said:
Totally agree, I thought it was Heupel’s offense but I think it may have been Golesh that was pulling the trigger. I’m not a fan of out defensive coordinater and never have been. He wins with players, but gets out coached often by other teams.
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You are correct. Go take a look at ANY of USF’s games the past two years. It’s 2022 Tennessee
 
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OC does appear to be an issue.
However I believe one reason we're not running the speed offense and wearing down the opposing defense, Nico can't operate at that speed.
Did Nico lay it on the line last night, yes he did.
But it's just not the same offense Josh showed up in Knoxville with. Remember when people compared it to Chip Kelly style offense?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
If the defense didn't sh!t the bed in the first quarter this is a different game. Do the vols still win? Not sure. Offense has just been plain slow AF to do anything consistently against good teams. Ohio had all the motivation and momentum going into this game after Michigan "Ponce DeLeOwned" them on their own field.
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Considering our schedule and caliber of competition, I have to wonder how good that defense really was? Were they legit and just had another bad day or were they paper tigers who benefitted from a weak schedule?
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I’m willing to bet that your opinion of the scheme would have changed if Sampson had played, and gone for 160 yards and two TDs and stolen 1-2 possessions from OSUs offense. That being said, we never threw a pass more than 25 yards downfield and the TEs just disappeared. Disappointing game.
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You would lose that bet. The offense hasn't been good all season. Fans are kidding themselves if they think different.
 
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