OC and game Planning

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While I’m being negative about the QB situation, I might as well go all in on our coaching situation, and this isn’t against CJH.
We have no starting OL starting that was signed from HS. Everyone of them are portal acquisitions and they show no improvements through their careers. Other than Bru’s toughness blocking (cause they rarely throw to him), no WR could even be called a #1 receiver. The $2M QB averages a tad over 200 ypg and cant throw deep.
Everyone complains about the defensive coaches but they seem to at least improve recruits into starters.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Elarbee can't develop an SEC-level oline. Halzle can't develop an SEC-level QB. Pope can't develop SEC-level WRs.

If Heupel is deadset on keeping these guys, his only option is to turn to the portal and try to get players who don't need a considerable amount of development to contribute to the offense. Otherwise we're just going to see more of the same going forward.

Recruiting talent is one thing, developing that talent is another, and so far as a whole, Heupel and staff are pretty bad at player development.
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Heupel is 36-13 after walking into a dumpster fire
 
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DaddyChad said:
Would aggressive uptempo play calling make the Oline protect better? Would it make the WRs get any separation at all?
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Evidently getting “good” players at those positions from the portal didn’t either. Of course having a qb that can’t see beyond his nose doesn’t help.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Our OL was mediocre this season. This is the play-calling you get when you can't pass protect.

Andy Reid couldn't have put up points last night with the top 2 RB's and 2 deep threats out.
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Good point. Their million dollar qb does more with a lot less. Ours doesn’t when he has more.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Probably because we ain't got the talent of a Hooker, Hyatt and Tillman on offense plus our OL is a far cry from the one we had in '22
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Tired of hearing this. A good coach gets creative and designs plays to help his team’s weaknesses. The play calling this year has been awful and that’s on Heupel. It is clear that he is not the offensive genius we thought he was. $9m says figure it out!
 
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Butch s said:
I know this will make me a nega vol, but I think we have another bust at qb. There are people who say he is the only one who produced last night, but that production was with his legs,not his arm. We all saw it with Milton and yet there were fans who refused to accept the obvious. Sorry Nico just ain’t it
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Who was he supposed to be throwing to? McCoy and Brazzell couldn't get separation, there was no run support, there was no time for plays to develop.

He had no chance last night, and he still moved the sticks OK against the #1 D in the country.
 
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Volizona said:
Tired of hearing this. A good coach gets creative and designs plays to help his team’s weaknesses. The play calling this year has been awful and that’s on Heupel. It is clear that he is not the offensive genius we thought he was. $9m says figure it out!
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You guys are crazy. What plays do you draw up for a team that's missing 4 key weapons and the OL can't block against the #1 D? Please, let me know.

The offense was a little bit of a slog this year because of OL problems and because Nico missed the deep ball. That's it. That explains everything.
 
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MurphyVol said:
It's strange to keep the same simplistic system and go slow.

Maybe the OC is bad...maybe he's hamstrung with the online, WRs. It's obvious they don't trust their QB to do too much.
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I think Nico can handle whatever they put in front of him. I'm not sure the other 10 outside of Sampson can. Wr's are not good and we can not pass block. And against good teams running is a struggle. OSU was the better team but I'd be lying if I said we have a good OL coach or WR coach
 
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n_huffhines said:
You guys are crazy. What plays do you draw up for a team that's missing 4 key weapons and the OL can't block against the #1 D? Please, let me know.

The offense was a little bit of a slog this year because of OL problems and because Nico missed the deep ball. That's it. That explains everything.
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What are the plays that kill us? OSU has guys 20 yards off the ball most of the night. Maybe we could try running some of the things that beat us and hope other defenses are as bad as ours at defending it. Something like a crossing route or something in the flat. Of course I’m not sure if they’ll put D-lineman or linebackers on those guys for the mismatch.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Didn't Hooker leave the same year as Golesh? Which was the greater loss?

Maybe we don't have a QB that can operate effectively in the up tempo mode.

The up tempo mode made receiver separation easier because the defense didn't have time to get aligned leading to mismatches and missed defensive assignments.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who was he supposed to be throwing to? McCoy and Brazzell couldn't get separation, there was no run support, there was no time for plays to develop.

He had no chance last night, and he still moved the sticks OK against the #1 D in the country.
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It wasn’t just last night. I’m not having some knee jerk reaction to that game. We had 4 games in a row where we didn’t score in the first half against the no where near #1 defenses in the country. Moving the sticks “OK” isn’t going to win many games. Especially in the SEC
 
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n_huffhines said:
You guys are crazy. What plays do you draw up for a team that's missing 4 key weapons and the OL can't block against the #1 D? Please, let me know.

The offense was a little bit of a slog this year because of OL problems and because Nico missed the deep ball. That's it. That explains everything.
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Butch s said:
It wasn’t just last night. I’m not having some knee jerk reaction to that game. We had 4 games in a row where we didn’t score in the first half against the no where near #1 defenses in the country. Moving the sticks “OK” isn’t going to win many games. Especially in the SEC
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The entire body of work is pretty good for a developing QB in his freshman year behind a line that can't pass block.

Bro can read the field already. 379 attempts, only 5 INT's, mostly making his hay across the middle. Find me a freshman in UT history doing that and you'll find a good QB.
 
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Volizona said:
Tired of hearing this. A good coach gets creative and designs plays to help his team’s weaknesses. The play calling this year has been awful and that’s on Heupel. It is clear that he is not the offensive genius we thought he was. $9m says figure it out!
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Just watching the games its always the same plays and plan no matter who they play . As a Coach he should know sometimes you are out manned and need to find weakness and go at it but he dosnt . They do not change in game either if its not working they just keep doing it .
 
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n_huffhines said:
The entire body of work is pretty good for a developing QB in his freshman year behind a line that can't pass block.

Bro can read the field already. 379 attempts, only 5 INT's, mostly making his hay across the middle. Find me a freshman in UT history doing that and you'll find a good QB.
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You were a Milton fan weren’t you
 
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BreatheUT said:
Name a problem you saw last night that stops short of the leadership then you are pointing out symptoms. Recruiting, development, planning, adjustments, lineup, play calling, poor execution, depth...all of it is the responsibility of those in charge.
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yes, but we could have said that back to 2009. Think JH checks the boxes on most of these. His biggest flaws is that he's got to figure out how to play on the road in loud environments and bring in true top notch talent on OL and WR. Skill matters in WR position.

I think what's evident is, regardless of how we didn't like how it sounded "in season" and during playoff selections, we were more flawed than we thought, and had a pretty weak schedule (which I'm OK with, for once) compared to many of our SEC peers, so, it hid our deficiencies until we hit a truly motivated top-tier talented and fired up team coming off a loss to Mich. (I undervalued the OSU motivation...they played BY FAR, their best game of the season). I think if OSU plays that game against UGA last night, they win by two touchdowns.
 
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Adam Sandler said:
I’d like to see what he can do with the time to make a pass and wide receivers that get separation and catch balls that hit them in the hands.
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I do also think some of this is scheme. We have decent speed, and where was our frosh 5* WR last night...we could have run that same pass play in the flats that OSU ran on us all last night...but we never go there...need more motion/mis-direction, imo.
 
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Butch s said:
You were a Milton fan weren’t you
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He played for Tennessee, didn't he?

Was Joe Milton perfect? Far from it. He was the full package physically, but he was inaccurate, and his decision-making could've been better....in his 6th year of CFB. Nico had the same QBR this year as Joe had in his 6th year, with a better O line.

Nico is a RS freshman with some deep ball accuracy problems, and that's the only complaint I have about him vs. the average starting RS Freshman in the SEC.

How many Freshman do you see here on this list? This is the stat that grades every decision and every throw.

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n_huffhines said:
He played for Tennessee, didn't he?

Was Joe Milton perfect? Far from it. He was the full package physically, but he was inaccurate, and his decision-making could've been better....in his 6th year of CFB. Nico had the same QBR this year as Joe had in his 6th year, with a better O line.

Nico is a RS freshman with some deep ball accuracy problems, and that's the only complaint I have about him vs. the average starting RS Freshman in the SEC.

How many Freshman do you see here on this list? This is the stat that grades every decision and every throw.

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Same argument for Milton. There are lies,damn lies, and statistics. It’s the eye test man. He just doesn’t have the quickness to be a winning qb. Like heath shuler, jg, Milton Just a tic slow to read and react. Can’t coach that
 
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