OC and game Planning

#26
#26
General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Our OL was mediocre this season. This is the play-calling you get when you can't pass protect.

Andy Reid couldn't have put up points last night with the top 2 RB's and 2 deep threats out.
 
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OC needs to go. It’s not been right for 2 years. dBs coach needs to go. O line is garbage, and the receivers can’t catch crap. We need a lot of help in the offseason and CJH needs to swallow his pride a fire some people or it’s gonna be him getting the can in another year or 2. I’m grateful for where he has brought us and I believe we should give him more time to make adjustments. But this current staff has peaked, will not win a SEC championship or a natty with this staff. We need to recruit better. Top 10 and mid sec recruiting numbers ain’t gonna get it.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
If the defense didn't sh!t the bed in the first quarter this is a different game. Do the vols still win? Not sure. Offense has just been plain slow AF to do anything consistently against good teams. Ohio had all the motivation and momentum going into this game after Michigan "Ponce DeLeOwned" them on their own field.
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I thought defense was not that good either last night
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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You gonna move on from Heupel, he calls plays?
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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What some of us have been saying all about the offense needs no more proof than the shovel pass.

CJH did not trust Nico to run his offense like Hooker did. All year Nico had a preset place to throw the ball. Last night there are 4-5 examples of him throwing it into triple and quadruple coverage. The shovel pass was stupid. On TV you could barely see Sampson and he threw it anyway.

Not a knock on Nico at all, I believe with more experience he will get us humming like Hendon did. This is the reason we slowed down this year and stalled way more often than in the past few years.
 
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Mid Tenn Vol said:
OC needs to go. It’s not been right for 2 years. dBs coach needs to go. O line is garbage, and the receivers can’t catch crap. We need a lot of help in the offseason and CJH needs to swallow his pride a fire some people or it’s gonna be him getting the can in another year or 2. I’m grateful for where he has brought us and I believe we should give him more time to make adjustments. But this current staff has peaked, will not win a SEC championship or a natty with this staff. We need to recruit better. Top 10 and mid sec recruiting numbers ain’t gonna get it.
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Yep, firing Coaches all the time has worked out so well in the past. If you think the coaches are the reason our players didn't man up and beat the guy in front of them, then there is no help for you.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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So......no other differences that golesh? If golesh had been there last night then wr get open? OL blocks?
Mico doesn't get rattled??

Wow, who knew?
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Elarbee can't develop an SEC-level oline. Halzle can't develop an SEC-level QB. Pope can't develop SEC-level WRs.

If Heupel is deadset on keeping these guys, his only option is to turn to the portal and try to get players who don't need a considerable amount of development to contribute to the offense. Otherwise we're just going to see more of the same going forward.

Recruiting talent is one thing, developing that talent is another, and so far as a whole, Heupel and staff are pretty bad at player development.
 
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General_Neyland said:
Since Alex Golesh left our Offense has not looked or performed anywhere near the same level as it once did. While some of that is personnel (or lack of) it’s clear that the scheme and tempo is nowhere near the same.

JMO but if we had the aggressive, uptempo playcalling back, last night is a totally different outcome or at least much closer.

I personally think we need to move on from our current OC. The gameplay we showed up with last night speaks for itself.
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Hyattt , Tillman and Hooker left when the OC did.

Most on here think Heupel is the real OC anyway so replacing a yes man with another probably won’t help
 
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What are the chances that not only is Heupel a good SEC coach but his best friend Elarbee is also a good SEC coach? What are the chances that BOTH of these guys were ready for the level UT needs?

It would be quite a coincidence.
 
#41
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Our offense hasn't looked the same since 2022. I'm not sure why we don't run some of those plays from 2022. One example, the three receiver formation on one side that would confuse the defense and Hyatt would be wide open. I know Hyatt had speed, but that wasn't the key factor of him being 10 steps behind a DB, it was the confusion of the play.

But back to your post, Heupel from my understanding, calls the offensive plays. This year, Heupel looks like he is calling Fulmer plays. Heupel had 3 weeks to get ready for this game and he got out coached terribly.

The OL looked like they had never played a game of football before.
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Probably because we ain't got the talent of a Hooker, Hyatt and Tillman on offense plus our OL is a far cry from the one we had in '22
 
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I think Heup’s system needs an overhaul. In 2023, he got burned for never slowing down. This year, he slowed down a lot, but did not compensate with creative play calling. At least not to my untrained eyes. Going slow and running the same sets of plays looks like days of Jones’ running the RPO and the QB never kept the ball. It just doesn’t make any sense.
 
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Volontario said:
And what’s the excuse on defense
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What excuse? You mean for the coaches? No excuses for the D. It was a bad defensive game but we also had way too many 3 and outs on O to expect them to hold tOSU to a low score. They couldn't hold them to FG's, and our specialty all year had been bend don't break.
 
#45
#45
njvols said:
Agree, but think last year w/ Milton and this year w/ Nico limitations, and WR limitations, I think he slowed tempo this year on purpose, since we generally had to lean on our D and Sampson. Ultimately, we don't have the talent at WR position. Bru and Thorton, our best two WRs were banged up much of the year, but as much as I appreciate them, they are either late draft or free agents in the NFL draft.
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I know this will make me a nega vol, but I think we have another bust at qb. There are people who say he is the only one who produced last night, but that production was with his legs,not his arm. We all saw it with Milton and yet there were fans who refused to accept the obvious. Sorry Nico just ain’t it
 
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Butch s said:
I know this will make me a nega vol, but I think we have another bust at qb. There are people who say he is the only one who produced last night, but that production was with his legs,not his arm. We all saw it with Milton and yet there were fans who refused to accept the obvious. Sorry Nico just ain’t it
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I am with you on Nico. He’s been through 3 bowl / post season practices, sat and learned a year playing in blowouts, and has started about as many games as Hooker.
Hooker’s WRs were Hyatt and whoever else was healthy. Nico has WRs faster than Hyatt was, bigger stronger WRers than Hooker had, more experienced in CJHs offense, a multi million dollar offensive line, better TEs, and has earned a supposedly $4M thus far. Give me your best stats to argue otherwise.
 
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a vol n tears said:
I am with you on Nico. He’s been through 3 bowl / post season practices, sat and learned a year playing in blowouts, and has started about as many games as Hooker.
Hooker’s WRs were Hyatt and whoever else was healthy. Nico has WRs faster than Hyatt was, bigger stronger WRers than Hooker had, more experienced in CJHs offense, a multi million dollar offensive line, better TEs, and has earned a supposedly $4M thus far. Give me your best stats to argue otherwise.
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Wrong.
 
#49
#49
Butch s said:
I know this will make me a nega vol, but I think we have another bust at qb. There are people who say he is the only one who produced last night, but that production was with his legs,not his arm. We all saw it with Milton and yet there were fans who refused to accept the obvious. Sorry Nico just ain’t it
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I’d like to see what he can do with the time to make a pass and wide receivers that get separation and catch balls that hit them in the hands.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
If the defense didn't sh!t the bed in the first quarter this is a different game. Do the vols still win? Not sure. Offense has just been plain slow AF to do anything consistently against good teams. Ohio had all the motivation and momentum going into this game after Michigan "Ponce DeLeOwned" them on their own field.
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We actually stopped them on their first drive
 
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