Of Tennessee's Last 5 B-Ball Coaches, Which would you rather have....

Which Coach would you rather have?

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#251
#251
MikeHamiltonFan said:
JZ, check out the thread on the press for the answer...

The better the backcourt play of the guards is the less effective the press becomes.

West Virginia is in the Final Four. They would lose by 30 or 40 to the UK team of 96, they would also have lost to UK if Cal could have taught Bledsoe and Wall to press and they had agreed to do it.
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UK was one of the most talented teams in CBB history. When Tony Delk, Ron Mercer, Walter McCarty, Antoine Walker, Nazr Mohammed and Wayne Turner show up on campus let me know.
 
#252
#252
Unimane said:
Mostly because coaches are control freaks, but there have been a number of successful teams to use it. You could throw in UNLV to the teams above. It's a lot to do with perception, too. You lose playing traditional means, then you just lose. You lose playing a faster paced, pressing style, it's because you are "undisciplined", lacking in skills, etc.

A pressing team has just as much chance to advance as any other team. It usually just boils down to who's better, whatever style.
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And that is where we will agree to disagree.
 
#253
#253
Arkansas,
90
94
95....

Do not tell me that on paper these teams are clearly better talent wise than TN will be next year if we have Hopson, Golden, McRae, Selby, Tobias Harris etc.
 
#254
#254
JZVOL said:
UK was one of the most talented teams in CBB history. When Tony Delk, Ron Mercer, Walter McCarty, Antoine Walker, Nazr Mohammed and Wayne Turner show up on campus let me know.
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That UK team also pulled back on the amount of pressing they did after UMASS ran a layup line on them in the season opener that year.
 
#255
#255
JZVOL said:
UK was one of the most talented teams in CBB history. When Tony Delk, Ron Mercer, Walter McCarty, Antoine Walker, Nazr Mohammed and Wayne Turner show up on campus let me know.
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Yes, but they also used the press to overwhelm the opposition, so it wasn't the case of a lesser talented team needing the press to compete.

Plus, the question is, would they have been more successful had they simply been a half court team? Because you are saying that a half court team is more effective (or efficient). Did them running the press have any effect?
 
#256
#256
3 Al Dillard | 12 Clint McDaniel | 14 Corey Beck | 15 Dwight Stewart | 22 Davor Rimac | 23 Ken Biley | 30 Scotty Thurman | 31 Roger Crawford | 33 Lee Wilson | 34 Corliss Williamson | 44 Darnell Robinson
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#257
#257
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Arkansas,
90
94
95....

Do not tell me that on paper these teams are clearly better talent wise than TN will be next year if we have Hopson, Golden, McRae, Selby, Tobias Harris etc.
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Four guys who have yet to play a college game, one guy who isn't even committed to UT and one of the laziest players UT has ever had and you want me to say TN is on par talent wise with two FF teams and a national champ?
 
#258
#258
Wait is Hat saying that you cannot doggedly insist on pressing in every game regardless of opponent? Oh wait, every single person on the message board at least in this thread agrees with that...
 
#259
#259
Unimane said:
Yes, but they also used the press to overwhelm the opposition, so it wasn't the case of a lesser talented team needing the press to compete.

Plus, the question is, would they have been more successful had they simply been a half court team? Because you are saying that a half court team is more effective (or efficient). Did them running the press have any effect?
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I'm looking at the fact that two pressing teams have one the national title in the last 20 years.

That tells me if I'm a coach which style seems to work if 18 out 20 teams have done it.
 
#260
#260
JZVOL said:
Four guys who have yet to play a college game, one guy who isn't even committed to UT and one of the laziest players UT has ever had and you want me to say TN is on par talent wise with two FF teams and a national champ?
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On paper as I said we have equivalent talent to those Arkansas teams if that is the class we end up with.

If not please explain to me how and why those individual players are more talented? Would you say that Butler is more talented than UK this year?
 
#261
#261
JZVOL said:
I'm looking at the fact that two pressing teams have one the national title in the last 20 years.

That tells me if I'm a coach which style seems to work if 18 out 20 teams have done it.
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The other coaches did not have the right players...I do not see why this seems complicated...If Huggins tried to press right now he would look like an idiot...

Pearl will do better next year pressing than if he does not IMO. I think he finally has long and fast guards and will be able to press effectively. I also do not think UWM makes it to the Sweet 16 or he gets the job at UT if he did not press effectively his last year there.
 
#262
#262
MikeHamiltonFan said:
On paper as I said we have equivalent talent to those Arkansas teams if that is the class we end up with.

If not please explain to me how and why those individual players are more talented? Would you say that Butler is more talented than UK this year?
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And you are basing your argument on high school guys who have yet to play a game and telling they are more talented than a national champion or at least on par with them.

I guess I'm nuts but I'd at least like to seem them play a college game first before I say they are as talented as a national champion.

What does butler have to do with it?
 
#263
#263
JZVOL said:
I'm looking at the fact that two pressing teams have one the national title in the last 20 years.

That tells me if I'm a coach which style seems to work if 18 out 20 teams have done it.
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That's not the question, though. It's whether or not Kentucky would've been any different.

Otherwise, like I said, most coaches prefer to have the control of the half court because it's their nature to want control.
 
#264
#264
Unimane said:
That's not the question, though. It's whether or not Kentucky would've been any different.

Otherwise, like I said, most coaches prefer to have the control of the half court because it's their nature to want control.
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How is there any way to answer that?
 
#265
#265
MikeHamiltonFan said:
The other coaches did not have the right players...I do not see why this seems complicated...If Huggins tried to press right now he would look like an idiot...

Pearl will do better next year pressing than if he does not IMO. I think he finally has long and fast guards and will be able to press effectively. I also do not think UWM makes it to the Sweet 16 or he gets the job at UT if he did not press effectively his last year there.
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So you are saying the only reason coaches don't press is because they don't have the right players?

Why would Huggins try to press anyway when he's in the national semi-final against another successful team that doesn't press?
 
#266
#266
JZVOL said:
And you are basing your argument on high school guys who have yet to play a game and telling they are more talented than a national champion or at least on par with them.

I guess I'm nuts but I'd at least like to seem them play a college game first before I say they are as talented as a national champion.

What does butler have to do with it?
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How many combined years did Todd Day, Lee Mayberry, and Oliver Miller play in the NBA?
 
#273
#273
JZVOL said:
So you are saying the only reason coaches don't press is because they don't have the right players?

Why would Huggins try to press anyway when he's in the national semi-final against another successful team that doesn't press?
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Because it isn't boring. Who cares if they win the game if they don't look pretty doing it.
 
#274
#274
hatvol96 said:
I'm just waiting to see how long it takes before someone votes for one of the Three Stooges in this poll. A vote for Houston, Green, or Peterson should be a one way ticket to a padded room.
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I agree. This is a pretty silly poll. Not much choice here.:crazy:
 
#275
#275
hatvol96 said:
How many combined years did Todd Day, Lee Mayberry, and Oliver Miller play in the NBA?
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Hat when did those guys win a national championship?

Corliss Williamson the Big Nasty was a super strong college player...would you try to argue that on the roster TN would have with Selby, Harris, McRae and Golden coming in they would be way less talented than the Arkansas team that won the NC?
 
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