Of Tennessee's Last 5 B-Ball Coaches, Which would you rather have....

Which Coach would you rather have?

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#226
#226
SaintBruce said:
I like this. You guys are distancing yourself from the hatevols.

So the only problem either you have ever had with Bruce was the controlled chaos. Fair.

BPV, I'm assuming you disagreed with hat when he said Bruce Pearl couldn't coach half court defense? What about you JZ?
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When this thread was started Bruce showed no indication of winning a half court game or playing good half court D.

I'm also not in love with the Flex Offense.

He completely changed his style of play this year, which is a style that wins tournament games and look at what happened.
 
#227
#227
BigPapaVol said:
I never said he couldn't. I've argued with anyone who says he doesn't know Xs and Os. All coaches do. I've always said that he doesn't demand it from his players, period. The fact that Hopson still plays after going into sulking mode after a miss says it hasn't completely changed. I'm of the mind that players earn PT with D effort, loose ball effort and boards. MSU just showed why it matters.

Sorry that doesn't fit your little talking point, but it's all there.
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Very well said.
 
#228
#228
BigPapaVol said:
I never said he couldn't. I've argued with anyone who says he doesn't know Xs and Os.
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Nice. I like that. I've never seen you disagree with hatvol one time so it's kind of a surprise to see your opinion of Pearl is 100% different than hatvols.

Hatvol is all bark no bite, man up every once in a while.
 
#229
#229
JZVOL said:
When this thread was started Bruce showed no indication of winning a half court game or playing good half court D.

I'm also not in love with the Flex Offense.

He completely changed his style of play this year, which is a style that wins tournament games and look at what happened.
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I don't care if he runs the Flex. If guys will cut hard, pick hard and have freedom to take advantage of mismatches, it's a solid O. It's not when we allow 20 + seconds for free lance for someone to make a play when our PGs are incapable of breaking down a D.
 
#231
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SaintBruce said:
Nice. I like that. I've never seen you disagree with hatvol one time so it's kind of a surprise to see your opinion of Pearl is 100% different than hatvols.

Hatvol is all bark no bite, man up every once in a while.
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Hatvol and I are friends, but it's ignorance to say he and I haven't had enormous knockdown dragouts. That said, I still respect his opinion even when we vehemently disagree, because it's typically formed with some reasonable thought behind it.
 
#234
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't care if he runs the Flex. If guys will cut hard, pick hard and have freedom to take advantage of mismatches, it's a solid O. It's not when we allow 20 + seconds for free lance for someone to make a play when our PGs are incapable of breaking down a D.
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The Flex can and does work, I just hated it when I ran it in high school, although I did score plenty off the flex cut.

I coach HS and after looking at offenses and what offenses college coaches run I just prefer a motion offense because I feel from the first practice to the last players will develop and learn the game more with a motion.
 
#236
#236
JZVOL said:
The Flex can and does work, I just hated it when I ran it in high school, although I did score plenty off the flex cut.

I coach HS and after looking at offenses and what offenses college coaches run I just prefer a motion offense because I feel from the first practice to the last players will develop and learn the game more with a motion.
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I like the motion fine and like Don Meyer's philosophy as well. There are lots of ways to be effective offensively, but they all require good ball movement, constant player movement, solid screening and cutting, good communication and ability to find and take advantage of mismatches.
 
#237
#237
BigPapaVol said:
I like the motion fine and like Don Meyer's philosophy as well. There are lots of ways to be effective offensively, but they all require good ball movement, constant player movement, solid screening and cutting, good communication and ability to find and take advantage of mismatches.
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That's very true. There are plenty of ways to run a good offense. I like a lot of stuff I've read from Hubie Brown- offense is spacing and spacing is offense, the ability for ball reversal and constant movement.

That's why at the HS level I like double and triple gaps to create space because typically the guards are better and more prevalent than post players and with the flex the middle can get congested.

But at UT's level it's obviously a different animal.
 
#239
#239
For me it's Pearl but O'Neill is a close second; however, I do not agree with BPV's original post in the matter. What many people aren't realizing is the fact the other things O'Neill didn't/wouldn't do for the program matter. Adding the PR factor in, O'Nell isn't in the same league with Pearl as a leader of a program. I know some don't like it, but it is a fact it is important to the long term success of the program.
 
#240
#240
PandamoniumReigns said:
Elaborate. Please. For those of us who are comprehensively challenged. Please enlighten us in all your seriousness.
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Why don't you just re read the post you quoted, and your response a few more times.

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#241
#241
BigPapaVol said:
Hatvol and I are friends, but it's ignorance to say he and I haven't had enormous knockdown dragouts. That said, I still respect his opinion even when we vehemently disagree, because it's typically formed with some reasonable thought behind it.
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Not surprising
 
#242
#242
hatvol96 said:
I'm going to love pulling up this thread in a couple of years when KO has SC in the 'AAs and people here have finally clued in to what an utter sham and a snake Tanning Bed Bruce is. Of course, the tears of the Star of David Bodypaint Brigade will have caused the Tennessee River to rise to flood stage and Pratt Pavilion will collapse due to shifting soil, but that's just too bad.
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wow. :no:
 
#243
#243
Yea, bpv, what do you think of that post by hat?

Think that statement was formed with reasonable thought behind it?
 
#244
#244
To answer the question, BRUCE PEARL. I was at UT during the last days of the fiasco that was Wade Houston and into the KO era. KO is a pretty good coach, if only he'd stay somewhere more than 3-4 years he could actually build a solid winner IMHO.
 
#245
#245
Hatvol also told me that Pearl will "flame out" by the end of next year. I agree that there's not a lot of thought behind many of his posts on Pearl, just pandering to the coach-sniffing clique he's been following for years.

Otherwise, in terms of Pearl changing philosophy and finally being successful, let's not forget the difference between an Elite 8 in 2007 and 2010 is a matter of a couple of points. That style you hate so much nearly delivered. There's always more than one way to skin a cat and a good coach matches strategy with personel.

Back to the list, O'Neill and Pearl are the only decent options. Green, again, is an absolute joke and anyone saying they are comparable, even before this year, wasn't around or has forgotten what kind of coach Green was. O'Neill is a solid coach and I'm curious to see what he could do if he bothered to stay anywhere more than three years. However, at this point, Pearl's accomplishments far outstrip O'Neill.
 
#246
#246
Unimane said:
Otherwise, in terms of Pearl changing philosophy and finally being successful, let's not forget the difference between an Elite 8 in 2007 and 2010 is a matter of a couple of points. That style you hate so much nearly delivered. There's always more than one way to skin a cat and a good coach matches strategy with personel.
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Again, I will take the style that delivered over one that almost delivered.

How many controlled chaos teams are in the FF or win the national title?

The better the competition the less effective the press becomes.
 
#247
#247
JZVOL said:
Again, I will take the style that delivered over one that almost delivered.

How many controlled chaos teams are in the FF or win the national title?

The better the competition the less effective the press becomes.
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So, if Chism screens Oden as designed and Smith scores, that would change your entire view? Also, not many run controlled choas at all, but I do remember Kentucky and Arkansas running similar forms during the 90s to some success. Florida used a lot of press as well over the years.

Regardless, most of the time, controlled choas wasn't necessarily the correct term. Most of the time, the press dropped off after the first pass anyway. Those Kentucky and Arkansas teams were much more aligned with the controlled chaos philiosophy.
 
#248
#248
My view is that if you watch CBB almost nobody that goes to the FF or wins the national title presses like you are describing.

As you say there are many ways to skin a cat, but in half court O and D.
 
#249
#249
JZVOL said:
Again, I will take the style that delivered over one that almost delivered.

How many controlled chaos teams are in the FF or win the national title?

The better the competition the less effective the press becomes.
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JZ, check out the thread on the press for the answer...

The better the backcourt play of the guards is the less effective the press becomes.

West Virginia is in the Final Four. They would lose by 30 or 40 to the UK team of 96, they would also have lost to UK if Cal could have taught Bledsoe and Wall to press and they had agreed to do it.
 
#250
#250
JZVOL said:
My view is that if you watch CBB almost nobody that goes to the FF or wins the national title presses like you are describing.

As you say there are many ways to skin a cat, but in half court O and D.
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Mostly because coaches are control freaks, but there have been a number of successful teams to use it. You could throw in UNLV to the teams above. It's a lot to do with perception, too. You lose playing traditional means, then you just lose. You lose playing a faster paced, pressing style, it's because you are "undisciplined", lacking in skills, etc.

A pressing team has just as much chance to advance as any other team. It usually just boils down to who's better, whatever style.
 
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