Offense is broken

[deatojl]

Yet another misleading statement. Take away any SEC teams best offensive weapon and see how they fall. Your narrative has been busted. You might as well quit.

I would add that we led the SEC in rushing the previous two seasons, as well. I would take that as a decent sign that our running game would still be pretty solid even if Sampson wasn't in the equation.

 

[volbound1700]

I would add that we led the SEC in rushing the previous two seasons, as well. I would take that as a decent sign that our running game would still be pretty solid even if Sampson wasn't in the equation.

Peyton Lewis is looking like another Sampson.

If you remember correctly, we were concerned about only having Sampson and the RB room coming into 2024 at this time last year. We had a couple of RBs transfer away.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Are we doing this for all teams or just Tennessee?

I would love to see a full comparison of all SEC teams stats vs only "non-cupcakes". That would be hard to define because we consider anyone outside the SEC as cupcakes.

 

[Visidog]

I would love to see a full comparison of all SEC teams stats vs only "non-cupcakes". That would be hard to define because we consider anyone outside the SEC as cupcakes.

Yards per play in SEC games only: cfbstats.com - 2024 Southeastern Conference Team Leaders

Yards per play in games against FBS teams with 7 or more wins: cfbstats.com - 2024 Southeastern Conference Team Leaders

 

[EZE]

Man, this type of unnecessary insulting “tough guy” response is just silly. This is a fan site. We’re all fans of the same team here. Disagree if you want. It’s really not that important. But I think it’s fairly easy to see that we commit too many penalties and have had a significant number of drops, overthrows, slow starts, and turnovers.

But, hey, I defer to your in-depth mathematical analysis.

I’d just like to know what is the “full potential….”

 

[papatomany]

The caveat here is that a school like North Texas' conference games aren't the same as ours. If we're being fair, take away every teams 4 easiest games, and see where everyone ranks nationally on offense. I would put money on Tennessee's offense still ranking highly.

Thus, my "vs the best conference, but still..." comment.
I'm certainly not going to put in that much work, but from cfbstats I quickly found that there are 68 teams who played at least 8 games against power-5 schools (which rules out Boise, by the way). Of those 68, we're 28th in points per game vs power-5 teams. As I said, disappointing offensive season.

 

[Carp]

Thus, my "vs the best conference, but still..." comment.
I'm certainly not going to put in that much work, but from cfbstats I quickly found that there are 68 teams who played at least 8 games against power-5 schools (which rules out Boise, by the way). Of those 68, we're 28th in points per game vs power-5 teams. As I said, disappointing offensive season.

So 28th while playing in the SEC, while teams good offensive teams in the Big 12 pad their stats against juggernauts like Arizona, OK State, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati.

What is the difference in the 1st place team and the 28th team in terms of PPG?

I don't know what sort of offense you were expecting. If it was 2022 offense, then sure it's easy to be disappointed. But this offense is easily better than last year's offense.

 

[pimo1]

Take away the cupcakes and only look at league play. Where do we rank then?

The problem is OSU's league games are almost mostly cupcakes.

This season SEC vs other p4 conferences 13-6. No other P$ conference has a winning record against the other 3 p4 except for the SEC and PAC 12 who only played 5 P4 games
The SEC has 13/16 bowl eligible teams only 3 SEC teams failed to win 6 games. And ended with 7 ranked teams.
The Big 10 has 12 bowl eligible teams which seems comparable until you remember they have 18 teams...6 failed to win 6. 5 ranked teams end of season.

The bad teams in the SEC are only really bad when compared to other SEC teams. Ignoring the existence of Mississippi State every team in the SEC beat at least one ranked team.
In the Big10 Indiana only faced one ranked team lol. Michigan and Minnesota have more ranked wins than Indiana, OSU and just as many as Penn state.

This is not about Hyperbole or homerism. Math is undefeated. They play a 9 game conference season. They try to make that seem like that means they play less cupcakes. except they ignore the fact the bottom of their conference is cupcakes. They are guaranteed 5-6 weak conference games every year. There is no easy SEC schedule.



this is college SoS rankings. I only had to go down to 33 to get the whole SEC. Let me round up a bit but that means half of the top 32 hardest scheduels in the nation were SEC schools. Most of them are gathered near the top. In that top 33 12/18 Big 10 teams made it. mostly clustered around the bottom. I know youre all asking a question lookign at that chart... where is Oregon? they arent there? I cut the chart off at 33 for funsies it made the whole point of the SEC all fitting in the top half of that 33 and oregon is freaking 34 and ranked 1st in the nation. The 4 Big 10 teams that made the playoffs played 29,30, 34 and 67th hardest schedules.

The only Big Ten schools that played harder schedules than UT are not in the playoffs..
the 3 SEC teams that will miss bowls played the 2nd 3rd and 19th hardest schedules in the country.
9 teams in the 16 team SEC won 9 or more games.
Only 5 of the 18 big 10 teams won 9 or more hell we can be nice and give them credit for their 8 win team that makes 6.
Using the AP poll the Big10 was 15-44 vs top 25 opponents the SEC was 30-46. Note most of those ranked games were internal in both cases.
But the important point is the SEC's 16 teams played 76 games vs ranked opponents.
The Bigtens 18 teams only played 59 with more teams.
Every SEC team except Miss State has at least 1 top 25 win.
10 Big ten teams were winless vs top 25 teams.

 

[deatojl]

I’d just like to know what is the “full potential….”

Clearly, it would be scoring at TD in less than two minutes every offensive possession of the season. Please try to keep up.

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

Clearly, it would be scoring at TD in less than two minutes every offensive possession of the season. Please try to keep up.

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[deatojl]

Okay, so I decided to dig a little deeper on offensive stats. It required a bit of manual work, so I only included playoff teams. Here are the offensive stats rankings for each team vs P4 bowl eligible teams(I added Boise St stats for Oregon since they are a playoff team), with those teams listed in parentheses:
YPG
1. Oregon-461.5(Boise St, Ohio St., Illinois, Michigan, Washington, Penn St.)
2. Penn St-426.29(West Virginia, Illinois, USC, Ohio St, Washington, Minnesota, Oregon)
3. SMU-420.5(BYU, TCU, Louisville, Duke, Pitt, Boston College, Cal, Clemson)
4. Boise St-414.5(Oregon, Washington St.)
5. Arizona St-410.5(Texas Tech, Kansas St, BYU, Iowa St)
6. Texas-396.12(Michigan, Oklahoma, Georgiax2, Vandy, Florida, Arkansas, Texas A&M)
7. Tennessee-387(NC State, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Vandy)
8. Georgia-385.5(Clemson, Alabama, Texas x2, Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Georgia Tech)
9. Clemson-375.71(Georgia, NC St, Louisville, Va Tech, Pitt, South Carolina, SMU)
10. Notre Dame-363.75(Texas A&M, Louisville, Georgia Tech, USC)
11. Ohio St-348.38(Iowa, Oregon, Nebraska, Penn St, Indiana, Michigan)
12. Indiana-301(Nebraska, Washington, Michigan, Ohio St)

PPG
1. Oregon-39.83
2. Boise St-39.5
3. SMU-37.25
4. Notre Dame-33.5
5. Indiana-30.5
6. Georgia-30.13
7. Arizona St-29.75
8. Penn St-28.42
9. Tennessee-27.14
10. Texas-26.5
11. Ohio St-25.83
12. Clemson-25.57

To add to this data, I looked at the ranking of the defenses each playoff team faced from the bowl eligible P4 opponents in terms of scoring defense. I am listing the teams in order of their PPG cored ranking from my previous post:
1. Oregon (#1, 8, 24, 36, 40, 46)
2. Boise St (#13, 90)
3. SMU (#21, 41, 42, 43, 52, 61, 81, 82)
4. Notre Dame (#29, 52, 56, 68)
5. Indiana (#1, 18, 24, 46)
6. Georgia (#2, 2, 4, 5, 10, 43, 64, 68)
7. Arizona St (#21, 33, 35, 122)
8. Penn St (#1, 12, 13, 40, 46, 56, 106)
9. Tennessee(#10, 23, 34, 49, 64, 69, 104)
10. Texas (#23, 23, 24, 29, 34, 49, 64, 69)
11. Ohio St (#6, 8, 9, 13, 18, 24)
12. Clemson (#14, 23, 28, 45, 52, 82, 106)

Of note: Boise St, SMU, Notre Dame, Arizona St, Texas and Clemson did not face any top 10 scoring defenses. SMU, Notre Dame, Arizona St and Texas did not face a top 20 scoring defense.

 

[deatojl]

straw man says Hi

Sarcasm meter broken today?

 

[GoVols64]

We're only top 10 in yards per game and TDs for the seasy


I'm so sick of this narrative. I think everyone locally and nationally expects the 2022 offense. Therefore, they assume we are 'bad' this year on offense. It's not statistically true at all. We're top 10. Ohio State is #38 in total offense for those wondering, and they beat down plenty of cupcakes too.

The offense is not broken at all. It IS, however, underperforming against equal talent. It boils down to inconsistent play by every position group and penalties. We have gotten better as the season progressed but we have the skill to beat anyone IF we put it all together. LFG Vols!

 

[papatomany]

So 28th while playing in the SEC, while teams good offensive teams in the Big 12 pad their stats against juggernauts like Arizona, OK State, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati.

What is the difference in the 1st place team and the 28th team in terms of PPG?

I don't know what sort of offense you were expecting. If it was 2022 offense, then sure it's easy to be disappointed. But this offense is easily better than last year's offense.

Against 6 of the 7 worst defenses in the conference, and only two teams who ended the season ranked.

What I expect is what Heupel had delivered consistently throughout his career -- an aggressive, explosive offense; top of the heap in scoring. Frightening to opponents. 2021 should be the standard; 2022 should be the occasional peak; 2023 should be extremely rare. This season was not it.