Offensive Scheme

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Tux said:
If you go 0-8 versus SEC teams, how good is your scheme?

Going 4-0 versus the sisters of the weak is no way to gauge how good your scheme is.
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I wasn't referring more to where we are ranked statistically ie our rushing YPG or turnover margin etc.
 
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Our statistics so far tell us little about whether the scheme works or not for our team.
 
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Butch needs to just open up the offense and let Worley run the ball when its there and its there a lot...I saw several instances where he could have scored if he kept the ball...Him running keeps the defense off balance...We got nothing to lose by doing it so let him run it about 5 times this game and see what happens.
 
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Tux said:
You want to determine whether a scheme works, you have to gauge your success against the best teams that you play, not the worst.
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This!

Tux said:
If you go 0-8 versus SEC teams, how good is your scheme?

Going 4-0 versus the sisters of the weak is no way to gauge how good your scheme is.
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And this!
 
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dcm3w said:
Not trying to downplay Butch's scheme or saying it will never work but I must say that I dislike running the screens. I think we run them to much, and throwing to the side all the time is dangerous, not to mention it's so close to the line of scrimmage. It's predictable.

Another thing I noticed is our hurry up offense not being effective. I think hurry up offenses are great and all but when we can't run the ball effectively, have consistent QB accuracy, and 3rd down conversions than it's pointless because we are hurrying up the defense to spend more time on the field.

Thoughts?
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Dude, The only thing that is working right now is our Hurry up offence. We have to run the hurry up, up tempo, so we can hurry up and get Worley off the field so we can give our Defense a chance to score.
 
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Tux said:
You want to determine whether a scheme works, you have to gauge your success against the best teams that you play, not the worst.
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I'd say the best gauge is probably how you perform against teams of comparable talent. Just a thought. Interesting discussion though.

Tux said:
Our statistics so far tell us little about whether the scheme works or not for our team.
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I agree with this, but based on the stats I don't think our running game is at the top of my concerns. Also, Florida's rushing defense is ranked 4th in the country at present. So I'm not sure that performance is a fair indicator of success.
 
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ChaoticUT said:
This scheme works plenty fine without a QB that can run the ball.
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Worley looks fine running the ball, he just needs to keep it more often. It's his decision. He could have run for 60 yds last week easy.
 
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Freak said:
I'd say the best gauge is probably how you perform against teams of comparable talent. Just a thought. Interesting discussion though.



I agree with this, but based on the stats I don't think our running game is at the top of my concerns. Also, Florida's rushing defense is ranked 4th in the country at present. So I'm not sure that performance is a fair indicator of success.
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Comparable talent to UT right now would not tell us if if our scheme is good enough to be more than middle of the pack at best.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Butch needs to just open up the offense and let Worley run the ball when its there and its there a lot...I saw several instances where he could have scored if he kept the ball...Him running keeps the defense off balance...We got nothing to lose by doing it so let him run it about 5 times this game and see what happens.
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Idk how many times I've explained this. Its a read option. Worley reads the DEs and determines to keep the ball or not. Butch doesn't "let" or "not let" Worley run.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Idk how many times I've explained this. Its a read option. Worley reads the DEs and determines to keep the ball or not. Butch doesn't "let" or "not let" Worley run.
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Volinmiami just wants Worley to get trucked and sent to the sideline :)
 
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The scheme might get us back to middle of the pack, but will never beat the big boys. jmo
 
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Tux said:
Comparable talent to UT right now would not tell us if if our scheme is good enough to be more than middle of the pack at best.
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I guess I'm not understanding. You want to look at how Tennessee performs agains the best teams in the country, with clearly inferior talent, to judge whether our scheme works?
 
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Butch is saying all of the right things and taking a great approach to turning the program around. However, color me a skeptic on his offensive scheme.

Butch's offensive scheme is not going to attract the best offensive linemen (he has a specific body typo and athleticism in mind for his scheme), we don't know if it will attract the type of QBs(pro-style passing) and WRs (tall athletic) that the program has had the past 30 years.

If the scheme does not work and the program has to go in another direction, we will be stuck with offensive players who will not be great pro-style players and we will bump our butts in the SEC east cellar for a long long time.
 
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PowerT83 said:
The scheme might get us back to middle of the pack, but will never beat the big boys. jmo
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Just trying to fully understand both sides of the discussion here. Are you suggesting there are no "big boys" who successfully run a similar scheme?
 
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Tux said:
Butch is saying all of the right things and taking a great approach to turning the program around. However, color me a skeptic on his offensive scheme.

Butch's offensive scheme is not going to attract the best offensive linemen (he has a specific body typo and athleticism in mind for his scheme), we don't know if it will attract the type of QBs(pro-style passing) and WRs (tall athletic) that the program has had the past 30 years.

If the scheme does not work and the program has to go in another direction, we will be stuck with offensive players who will not be great pro-style players and we will bump our butts in the SEC east cellar for a long long time.
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So it's not the scheme that concerns you, but whether Butch can successfully recruit top players to fit the scheme?
 
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Screens are the best plays in football. They put a ton of stress on the defense. Just wait until we actually have talented players running it.
 
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Freak said:
So it's not the scheme that concerns you, but whether Butch can successfully recruit top players to fit the scheme?
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We know that Butch is doing a bang up job on the recruiting trail.

The scheme will determine who wants to play or not play in our scheme and whom Butch wants to recruit and not recruit.

we had better be prepared to not bring ins some players that resemble some of our past players, from a physicality and skill stand point.
 
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Didn't Clemson beat Georgia earlier with a very similar scheme? I'm sure they run it more efficiently and also a little deeper in the book but along the same line. They also have the personnel to run the offense.
 
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BonesVol said:
Didn't Clemson beat Georgia earlier with a very similar scheme? I'm sure they run it more efficiently and also a little deeper in the book but along the same line. They also have the personnel to run the offense.
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This guy helped!

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BonesVol said:
Didn't Clemson beat Georgia earlier with a very similar scheme? I'm sure they run it more efficiently and also a little deeper in the book but along the same line. They also have the personnel to run the offense.
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Clemson is a unique team. They run APBs most the time, and beat you with great playmakers on the outside. They truly don't have the talent an SEC team does on the line of scrimmage, but they can still beat you by making you play to their game defensively. The article below goes to show that in the right scheme with the right QB and playmakers you can beat anyone. Give CBJ time to recruit and develop his guys, and we may find out we are sitting on a gold mine as Clemson was with Boyd.

2013 Georgia vs. Clemson Depth Chart Analysis - Shakin The Southland
 
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it's not the scheme i would run, but any system will work if you have the horses and you teach it properly at the college level.

it's one of the reasons i always got tired of nfl analysts talking about bill walsh's west coast system.....as if every coach was bill walsh and every team had joe montana, jerry rice, john taylor, and roger craig.
 
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Tux said:
The folks who want to use season long stats, need to separate SEC and the Oregon game stats from the patsies.
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I don't agree! At the end of the year everyone plays pansies, and we play pansies every year! So if our running, passing, defensive stat are better this year compared to past years, I would call that improvement! On top of that I like hearing stuff like when Neal rushed for over 160 last week being the first in several years, well we played pansies those years too! I see improvement!
 
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