Offensive Scheme

[dcm3w]

Clemson is a unique team. They run APBs most the time, and beat you with great playmakers on the outside. They truly don't have the talent an SEC team does on the line of scrimmage, but they can still beat you by making you play to their game defensively. The article below goes to show that in the right scheme with the right QB and playmakers you can beat anyone. Give CBJ time to recruit and develop his guys, and we may find out we are sitting on a gold mine as Clemson was with Boyd.

2013 Georgia vs. Clemson Depth Chart Analysis - Shakin The Southland

Not to mention Sammy Watkins is a superb receiver.

 

[tnvols72]

if Worley would keep the ball instead of being scared to get hit , that would help a lot. If all he is going to do is hand off then Tn should just forfeit 1st & 2nd and throw hail marys on 3rd and punt on 4th.
UGAs def. is horrible and Tns off. is going to make them look great. Our off. is not even trying to fool the def.

 

[Vol8188]

This guy helped!

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Lane Kiffin says, "you're welcome".

 

[Rifleman]

Against teams not from the Sunbelt or APSU, UT is averaging 122 yards per game and 4 yards per carry.

That's still not horrible but with our limited passing game it's not enough. UT has to somehow move the ball in the air to get that number up in SEC play. Running the ball chews the clock. Butch said AJ and someone else played over 80 snaps last week! Gotta keep them off the field.

That's a valid point, but we have already played the nation's best run defense in Florida or our stats would be more impressive.

We did averaged 4.7 per carry against Oregon, but I'll admit that was a situation where I'm sure they didn't mind us running the ball while being way behind.

I expect us to put up huge numbers in November, as well, because several of those teams are not as good as South Alabama at stopping the run.

Would love to see us put up 200 yards at least once in the next 3 games, though.

 

[golf437]

If you go 0-8 versus SEC teams, how good is your scheme?

Going 4-0 versus the sisters of the weak is no way to gauge how good your scheme is.

Your point is not valid. We do not have enough talent to evaluate any scheme.

 

[Rifleman]

I don't agree! At the end of the year everyone plays pansies, and we play pansies every year! So if our running, passing, defensive stat are better this year compared to past years, I would call that improvement! On top of that I like hearing stuff like when Neal rushed for over 160 last week being the first in several years, well we played pansies those years too! I see improvement!

This! I don't understand why we haven't put up huge rushing numbers against patsies recently like we once did. I really think it teaches your offense to impose its will and that pays off in big games later. One of the things I like the most about the way this offense runs is that it is a run first, pass later offense.

The fact that we only had 3 200+ yard rushing games 2010 - 2012 is really all you need to know about the Derek Dooley era.

If we win a game we aren't supposed to this year, it will be because of the improved run game.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

Butch is saying all of the right things and taking a great approach to turning the program around. However, color me a skeptic on his offensive scheme.

Butch's offensive scheme is not going to attract the best offensive linemen (he has a specific body typo and athleticism in mind for his scheme), we don't know if it will attract the type of QBs(pro-style passing) and WRs (tall athletic) that the program has had the past 30 years.

If the scheme does not work and the program has to go in another direction, we will be stuck with offensive players who will not be great pro-style players and we will bump our butts in the SEC east cellar for a long long time.

What about Orlando Brown? Fairly large guy.

 

[moodyjunior]

The Scheme is really needing a running threat out of the QB though.. Once we have that we can become explosive on offense.

Without the threat of QB running, the play calling becomes predictable ..

One of our problems is our O-Line. They don't run block very well against big time d linemen. They are great at pass block and can sustain blocks, but they aren't NASTY. We need a little nasty on the line.

Wait..I THOUGHT THE OFFENSIVE LINE was going to be GREAT...#1 in the nation, yada yada..That's all I read about here, and elsewhere, year in and year out it seems...Our GREAT offensive line...Have yet to see it dominate ANYONE....:whistling:

 

[Rifleman]

If you go 0-8 versus SEC teams, how good is your scheme?

Going 4-0 versus the sisters of the weak is no way to gauge how good your scheme is.

I didn't know we'd forfeited the rest of our schedule. See y'all next season.

We had a very good offense last year by any standard, no?

Yet, our defense was worse than our offense was good. I don't think you can blame the offensive scheme for all those losses, since no scheme could have saved those games.

We had the second best offense in UT history with the by far worst defense and the by far worst in-game coach.

It was actually the inverse of the 2008 season when our defense was amazing and we could only put up 7 points on Wyoming.

2008's defense + 2012's offense and we're cooking with gas, natural gas.

 

[Rifleman]

What about Orlando Brown? Fairly large guy.

We know that Butch is doing a bang up job on the recruiting trail.

The scheme will determine who wants to play or not play in our scheme and whom Butch wants to recruit and not recruit.

we had better be prepared to not bring ins some players that resemble some of our past players, from a physicality and skill stand point.

Marquez North had his pick of destinations and he chose the Vols. Isn't he reminiscent physically and skill-wise to our great receivers from the past?

Also we have and NFL prototype offensive tackle coming in the 2014 class with Orlando Brown.

How are those guys different than who we've taken in the past?

Or is is just the composition of the class as a whole that your talking about being different?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Some of the screens have looked ugly, but every time we run one of those to Marquez I hold my breath.

If he, Worley and the other receivers can get on the same page with those, he could turn one into 6 really quick.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I don't agree! At the end of the year everyone plays pansies, and we play pansies every year! So if our running, passing, defensive stat are better this year compared to past years, I would call that improvement! On top of that I like hearing stuff like when Neal rushed for over 160 last week being the first in several years, well we played pansies those years too! I see improvement!

This is what I was trying to explain but I gave up

 

[Freak]

Marquez North had his pick of destinations and he chose the Vols. Isn't he reminiscent physically and skill-wise to our great receivers from the past?

Also we have and NFL prototype offensive tackle coming in the 2014 class with Orlando Brown.

How are those guys different than who we've taken in the past?

Or is is just the composition of the class as a whole that your talking about being different?

This. Butch has proven (so far) that he can recruit quality talent, so I don't understand the point tux is trying to make.

Aside from maybe not being able to recruit someone who wants to play fullback, I don't think it's an issue.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

Lmao at butch cant find good players to fit his scheme.

Eric fisher
That kelce kid
And pead all disagree with u all

 

[93AllvolSc]

Not trying to downplay Butch's scheme or saying it will never work but I must say that I dislike running the screens. I think we run them to much, and throwing to the side all the time is dangerous, not to mention it's so close to the line of scrimmage. It's predictable.

Another thing I noticed is our hurry up offense not being effective. I think hurry up offenses are great and all but when we can't run the ball effectively, have consistent QB accuracy, and 3rd down conversions than it's pointless because we are hurrying up the defense to spend more time on the field.

Thoughts?

Yeah for our defense, Florida took a one yard pass and housed it. The idea for screens are just that, safe passes hoping a great athlete will make a play and beat someone one on one. When our receivers get better we can fake that and hit a hitch-n-go for a big play.

 

[majic73]

Butch is saying all of the right things and taking a great approach to turning the program around. However, color me a skeptic on his offensive scheme.

Butch's offensive scheme is not going to attract the best offensive linemen (he has a specific body typo and athleticism in mind for his scheme), we don't know if it will attract the type of QBs(pro-style passing) and WRs (tall athletic) that the program has had the past 30 years.

If the scheme does not work and the program has to go in another direction, we will be stuck with offensive players who will not be great pro-style players and we will bump our butts in the SEC east cellar for a long long time.

we will attract zone blocking offensive linemen ...of which most of the NFL uses exclusively or to some degree.

Who runs a pro-set in the SEC outside of Bama and Georgia (somewhat) ? Appears much of the NFL uses some variant of the spread attack . Manning bases what he does at Denver on spread passing principles ..the stretch play he uses is the NFL equal the the option in as much as it moves and creates new gaps.

Seems like just about every team is moving to spread based systems

 

[93AllvolSc]

Georgia's defense has been horrible against the run this year, hopefully Neal can get behind the big uglies and go off for 200 yards in a breakout game.

 

[Other_Guy]

Not trying to downplay Butch's scheme or saying it will never work but I must say that I dislike running the screens. I think we run them to much, and throwing to the side all the time is dangerous, not to mention it's so close to the line of scrimmage. It's predictable.

Another thing I noticed is our hurry up offense not being effective. I think hurry up offenses are great and all but when we can't run the ball effectively, have consistent QB accuracy, and 3rd down conversions than it's pointless because we are hurrying up the defense to spend more time on the field.

Thoughts?

Nothing wrong with your points but it seems I am constantly posting this in reply.

The offense is basic until they can get the simple stuff right. Worley needs completions period. Anything short and easy helps him and the WRs get confidence and (hopefully) manageable 2nd and 3rd downs.

Hurry up is to keep the defense from changing out players and keeps them on their toes. Once this offense gets things rolling they will be your normal preferred hurry up offense.

 

[majic73]

Seems that there are only a couple of 'schemes' you can run when your QB cant pass consistently well. Did you have the single wing , veer , wing T , or triple option in mind ?

We are averaging 4 yards a run against ranked teams..while the gaps are under constant attack because no one respects our passing game ..nor should they. Not sure what you want the O-line to do ..turn lead into gold ?

I have not ruled out that Worley will continue to improve as the season wears on . If he improves enough , you will see the running lanes clear and the running game improve. More 1st downs equates to less time for the defense on the field. They only have about 1/2 of depth in them , so that would be a good thing.

Not sure what kind of scheme you would like ...but they would all fail if your have not mastered the forward pass ( everybody is doing it ! )

 

[Tux]

This. Butch has proven (so far) that he can recruit quality talent, so I don't understand the point tux is trying to make.

Aside from maybe not being able to recruit someone who wants to play fullback, I don't think it's an issue.

I am merely stating that I am behind Butch, but I am not a fan of Butch's spread scheme.

Butch has a history of recruiting smaller WRs than the Vols have recruited over the past 30 plus years. That is because his offense is short pass based and not vertical as what we are used to. Thus taller WRs do not translate as well to the quick cut offense

With that in mind, we may lose out on some tall WRs who might prefer a role in a more vertical passing game.

When it comes to QBs, we will not be going after the top rated pro style drop back passers, who attract top WRs top go along with them.

With OL, Butch prefers tall thinner OL to be more agile and not as bulky. The offense has physicality but has much more finesse to it that a man drive blocking/zone scheme in a pro-style offense.

The bottom line is that the type of players that will be attracted to the Butch Spread will be different type of body types, different skill sets, and different level of players than we are used to seeing at Tennessee.

This recruiting season, we have two RBs, who will fit the need, because we need them badly. At WR, we have some tall WRs committed but a lot more smaller quicker guys to play the slot.

Orlando Brown is a huge OL and Mosley will be another huge player, but that is not Butch's Modus Operendi historically speaking, in his offensive scheme.

Give it some time. Let's see what happens. I may be completely wrong. On the other hand, I could be right. Until then, I will cheer the Vols on and have Butch's back.

 

[Tux]

we will attract zone blocking offensive linemen ...of which most of the NFL uses exclusively or to some degree.

Who runs a pro-set in the SEC outside of Bama and Georgia (somewhat) ? Appears much of the NFL uses some variant of the spread attack . Manning bases what he does at Denver on spread passing principles ..the stretch play he uses is the NFL equal the the option in as much as it moves and creates new gaps.

Seems like just about every team is moving to spread based systems

There are different types of zone blocking schemes, which has some variant that is used by all college and NFL teams.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Everyone always points to the qb as the problem with the scheme. And to be fair qb play is part of the issue but the running backs we have don't fit either.

We are in serious need of a north/south hit the hole runner like Travis Henry.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Travis Stevens was that type of back also.

 

[VOLnMiami]

Idk how many times I've explained this. Its a read option. Worley reads the DEs and determines to keep the ball or not. Butch doesn't "let" or "not let" Worley run.

I understand the offense and yes Butch decides if he runs the ball or not...If he didn't then Worley would most likely have a lot more rushing yards this season...Butch likely has the handcuffs on his running so he doesn't get hurt and without any depth at QB we would be in more serious trouble...But heck you already knew that right?

 

[Wylo]

This scheme works plenty fine without a QB that can run the ball.

Sure it does..