Official Brexit Referendum Discussion

I haven't browsed the 500+ page "agreement" but the headlines suggest it was a cobbled-together compromise in order to do something.

How is this an improvement over the status quo for the British economy?

Does anyone at VolNation really care about UK politics?
 
I haven't browsed the 500+ page "agreement" but the headlines suggest it was a cobbled-together compromise in order to do something.

How is this an improvement over the status quo for the British economy?

Does anyone at VolNation really care about UK politics?

I don’t . I don’t understand their politics ,their love of the queen and royal family or their stupid obsession with hot tea and soccer .
 
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I haven't browsed the 500+ page "agreement" but the headlines suggest it was a cobbled-together compromise in order to do something.

How is this an improvement over the status quo for the British economy?

Does anyone at VolNation really care about UK politics?
UK specifically? no. probably not. but how they interact with the world is of some definite interest.
 
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UK specifically? no. probably not. but how they interact with the world is of some definite interest.
It’s their internal business. I’ll leave them to it. Now if we can just get them and the rest of Europe to stay out of our business too... and we stay out of Europe’s business! But I digress...
 
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It’s their internal business. I’ll leave them to it. Now if we can just get them and the rest of Europe to stay out of our business too... and we stay out of Europe’s business! But I digress...
Shouldn't trade be everyone's business?
 
Shouldn't trade be everyone's business?
Isn’t trade by it’s very nature “everyone’s business”? Or at least the business of the trading partners?

Please note I did say “internal business”. And the decision to participate or not in the European Free Trade Zone by the UK subjects is indeed an internal decision is it not?
 
Please note I did say “internal business”. And the decision to participate or not in the European Free Trade Zone by the UK subjects is indeed an internal decision is it not?
The debate over how open countries should be to the flow of products and people is really echoing around the world right now. Brexit being the most pointed example.

The prospect of a second Brexit referendum is growing.

I don't get why Labour doesn't embrace a second referendum. There's got to be at least 50% of the people who are having second thoughts. It barely passed the first time around, before this train wreck.
 
The debate over how open countries should be to the flow of products and people is really echoing around the world right now. Brexit being the most pointed example.
Sure I think we can debate it all we want. It’s indeed a large discussion. But the choice of Brexit or not is only on the UK people. My comment that you initially replied to was more of a segue into countries should mind their own business and stay out of others business, us included. Trade does cross country boundaries and indeed is at least the business of the trading partners. But the choice to participate or not is internal. That’s all. And the UK’s decision (and all the consequences) is their business.

I don't get why Labour doesn't embrace a second referendum. There's got to be at least 50% of the people who are having second thoughts. It barely passed the first time around, before this train wreck.

So how many votes would be enough? If they had another referendum and it was overturned do you think the pro-Brexit parties would just stop? I’d bet they tie it up in courts and get it thrown out. The UK chose their lot, for better or worse.
 
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Enough so that they change their mind?

You're right that it's their country and they're the ones that live with their government, but from my distant vantage point, Brexit looks like a dumb decision.
And us debating it in our forum is perfectly fine. We’re actually having a good discussion thus far with a total absence of monkey poo flying. If any party of the EU makes that statement to the UK they need to butt out.

Economically it’s close to suicide maybe. Time will tell.

However don’t just ignore that the UK was always luke warm at best on the whole EU proposition. They never gave up the Pound. They’ve always had an asterisk by their name.

And the EU at its core is a dillution of sovereign rights. They are relinquishing power to an authority they willingly put over themselves which has governance on many economic decisions. It isn’t something we would ever do. It also isn’t something will ever likely need to do just because of simple economies of scale.
 
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I know there are a lot more issues here, but my view is heavily weighted toward (1) trade, and (2) a distrust of the people (nations) pushing for Brexit.

What we're seeing in the UK (and to a smaller degree in the US) is that it's a lot easier to campaign to tear something down than it is to replace it.

A cautionary tale.
 
I know there are a lot more issues here, but my view is heavily weighted toward (1) trade, and (2) a distrust of the people (nations) pushing for Brexit.

What we're seeing in the UK (and to a smaller degree in the US) is that it's a lot easier to campaign to tear something down than it is to replace it.

A cautionary tale.

The EU was destined to fail from the start.
 
Clearly the Euro monetary policy has caused problems, but the question to ask is would all these small nations fare better without the union?

I doubt it.
 
The debate over how open countries should be to the flow of products and people is really echoing around the world right now. Brexit being the most pointed example.



I don't get why Labour doesn't embrace a second referendum. There's got to be at least 50% of the people who are having second thoughts. It barely passed the first time around, before this train wreck.

The majority spoke...it would be even more with a second vote...

May is a Rothschild pawn...

She’s only succeeded in making that known to all...
 
So from dictionary.com here is the definition. To me that reads like the precursor to smaller sovereign states joining into one large economic and political collective.... just like our republic here in the US. One big difference. We formed over 200 years ago with the intent of becoming a single sovereign. The EU however wants the economic clout of a single large sovereign without the actual committal of a single large sovereign.

In fact it allows for member states to leave. That in and of itself is somewhat telling. Our Constitution allows for the addition of states but provides no mechanism for their separation. We set out to be one large sovereign. The EU is toying with the benefits of one large sovereign without going all in. Personally I think it’s doomed to eventual failure.

European Union
[yoo r-uh-pee-n yoon-yuh n, yur‐]

  1. an association of European nations formed in 1993 for the purpose of achieving political and economic integration. Incorporating the European Community, the European Union'smember states are Austria, Belgium,Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, the CzechRepublic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,France, Germany, Greece, Hungary,Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania,Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands,Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia,Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and theUnited Kingdom. In 2016 the UnitedKingdom voted by referendum to withdraw from membership in theEuropean Union. Abbreviation : EU
 
What is your love affair with this union and not sovereignty for each country?!
I don’t think it’s a horrible idea. Think about it as “Republic lite”. I just think unless the member states are willing to yield significant sovereign rights to make it work it’s doomed to failure. At the end of the day it’s their business... just like it’s the UK’s business to tell them to “sod off”.
 

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