Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[Obsessed]

I'll take all the global warming I can get if august stays like this.

Damn near need long sleeves in the mornings...feels like October.

 

[FLVOL69]

I'll take all the global warming I can get if august stays like this.

Damn near need long sleeves in the mornings...feels like October.

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[AM64]

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When Fat Al melts (may take a while), there will still be 130,000 glaciers.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-did-donald-trump-ignore-100342943.html

Gore is super cereal bat**** crazy

 

[armchair]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-did-donald-trump-ignore-100342943.html

Gore is super cereal bat**** crazy

because he believes the power industry has influenced Trump and conservatives? I'd say you were crazy to say that, since it is quite obvious that utilities and the energy industry have been the primary source of disinformation about climate change. They've spent many millions of dollars trying to create doubt about global warming, much like the tobacco industry spent decades telling Americans and others that cigarette smoking was perfectly wonderful--no health worries there! Scott Pruitt, the wanker who now heads the EPA, is a boob from Oklahoma (oil and gas state) who's been deep in the pocket of the energy industry for years. There is broad consensus that global warming/climate change is a serious problem--the evidence is piling up--and yet the goobers here still pretend that it's fake news. When you've got blocks of stupid, ideological people who refuse to believe science, you've got a country that is in trouble.

The United States should be leading on the climate change issue---as the state of California is, as we were under Obama--and other nations will come along. That's what we do. That is why the United States is respected around the world--or was before the rednecks took over.

 

[tumscalcium]

because he believes the power industry has influenced Trump and conservatives? I'd say you were crazy to say that, since it is quite obvious that utilities and the energy industry have been the primary source of disinformation about climate change. They've spent many millions of dollars trying to create doubt about global warming, much like the tobacco industry spent decades telling Americans and others that cigarette smoking was perfectly wonderful--no health worries there! Scott Pruitt, the wanker who now heads the EPA, is a boob from Oklahoma (oil and gas state) who's been deep in the pocket of the energy industry for years. There is broad consensus that global warming/climate change is a serious problem--the evidence is piling up--and yet the goobers here still pretend that it's fake news. When you've got blocks of stupid, ideological people who refuse to believe science, you've got a country that is in trouble.

The United States should be leading on the climate change issue---as the state of California is, as we were under Obama--and other nations will come along. That's what we do. That is why the United States is respected around the world--or was before the rednecks took over.

The US was not leading the world on "climate change" under Obama. Other countries had already gone full retard.

 

[BartW]

I'll take all the global warming I can get if august stays like this.

Damn near need long sleeves in the mornings...feels like October.

But yet it has been the coolest summer with the most rain in years???? Global warming is a joke, seriously.

Bart's going to have a tough time with his message when the La Nina occurs.

2017 is so far the second-hottest year on record thanks to global warming

With the first six months of 2017 in the books, average global surface temperatures so far this year are 0.94°C above the 1950–1980 average, according to NASA. That makes 2017 the second-hottest first six calendar months on record, behind only 2016.

That’s remarkable because 2017 hasn’t had the warming influence of an El Niño event. El Niños bring warm ocean water to the surface, temporarily causing average global surface temperatures to rise. 2016 – including the first six months of the year – was influenced by one of the strongest El Niño events on record.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7-gJ5W-kc[/youtube]

Not everyone is having a nice mild summer like Tennessee apparently is.

ROASTING AND GASPING IN PAC NW; ALL-TIME RECORD HEAT IN SOUTHEAST EUROPE

We probably would have hit triple digits here last week if not for all the wildfire smoke... still set daily record highs all throughout the region. We (literally) haven't had any rain in two months. Meanwhile south and east Europe have also had ridiculous heat waves and wildfires this year. Rome, City of Ancient Aqueducts, Faces Water Rationing. In the US we’re on pace to challenge the record for acres burned by wildfire, set just in 2015. Even greenland is on fire. Our underwater rainforests are doing even worse: coral reefs could be extinct by 2050.

The world has lost roughly half its coral reefs in the last 30 years. Scientists are now scrambling to ensure that at least a fraction of these unique ecosystems survives beyond the next three decades. The health of the planet depends on it: Coral reefs support a quarter of all marine species, as well as half a billion people around the world.

"This isn't something that's going to happen 100 years from now. We're losing them right now," said marine biologist Julia Baum of Canada's University of Victoria. "We're losing them really quickly, much more quickly than I think any of us ever could have imagined."

Even if the world could halt global warming now, scientists still expect that more than 90 percent of corals will die by 2050. Without drastic intervention, we risk losing them all.

"To lose coral reefs is to fundamentally undermine the health of a very large proportion of the human race," said Ruth Gates, director of the Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology.

Coral reefs produce some of the oxygen we breathe. Often described as underwater rainforests, they populate a tiny fraction of the ocean but provide habitats for one in four marine species. Reefs also form crucial barriers protecting coastlines from the full force of storms.

The first global bleaching event occurred in 1998, when 16 percent of corals died. The problem spiraled dramatically in 2015-2016 amid an extended El Nino natural weather phenomenon that warmed Pacific waters near the equator and triggered the most widespread bleaching ever documented. This third global bleaching event, as it is known, continues today even after El Nino ended.

Headlines have focused on damage to Australia's famed Great Barrier Reef, but other reefs have fared just as badly or worse across the world, from Japan to Hawaii to Florida.

In June NOAA declared the global bleaching event has finally subsided, although there is still mass regional bleaching in the forecast, including parts of the US.

 

[tumscalcium]

2017 is so far the second-hottest year on record thanks to global warming

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7-gJ5W-kc[/youtube]

Not everyone is having a nice mild summer like Tennessee apparently is.

ROASTING AND GASPING IN PAC NW; ALL-TIME RECORD HEAT IN SOUTHEAST EUROPE

We probably would have hit triple digits here last week if not for all the wildfire smoke... still set daily record highs all throughout the region. We (literally) haven't had any rain in two months. Meanwhile south and east Europe have also had ridiculous heat waves and wildfires this year. Rome, City of Ancient Aqueducts, Faces Water Rationing. In the US we’re on pace to challenge the record for acres burned by wildfire, set just in 2015. Even greenland is on fire. Our underwater rainforests are doing even worse: coral reefs could be extinct by 2050.


In June NOAA declared the global bleaching event has finally subsided, although there is still mass regional bleaching in the forecast, including parts of the US.

Psh, second hottest? See, it's going back down....

 

[BartW]

Interestingly, since it takes 4 years for the US to withdraw, we could continue to be involved in shaping the implementation of the Paris Agreement. We could push for tighter and more invasive emissions monitoring. It will be interesting to see if Trump even sends people to UN climate meetings.

Trump administration delivers notice U.S. intends to withdraw from Paris climate deal

The Trump administration outlined the United States’ intention to withdraw from the Paris climate change agreement in an official notice delivered to the United Nations on Friday.

It was the first written notice to the U.N. that the administration plans to pull out of the 2015 pact, which has won the support of nearly 200 nations.

In addition, the U.S. can’t even formally notify the United Nations that it is withdrawing until 2019. As a result, Friday’s notice is a largely symbolic statement with no legal weight.

International diplomats are still holding out hope that Trump might change his mind, or reach some kind of compromise that would allow the United States to stay in. And they argued that Friday's statement leaves some wiggle room for the U.S. to remain.

In a statement, the State Department said the administration will nonetheless continue participating in international climate change negotiations, including talks aimed at implementing the Paris climate deal, "to protect U.S. interests and ensure all future policy options remain open to the administration."

 

[BartW]

Pruitt climate science challenge splits conservative allies

EPA chief Scott Pruitt’s attacks on mainstream climate science are causing discomfort in a surprising corner — among many of the conservative and industry groups that have cheered his efforts to dismantle Barack Obama’s environmental regulations.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, political groups backed by the Koch brothers and the top lobbying organizations for the coal, oil, natural gas and power industries are among those so far declining to back Pruitt’s efforts to undermine the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change, according to more than a dozen interviews by POLITICO. Some advocates privately worry that the debate would politically harm moderate Republicans, while wasting time and effort that’s better spent on the Environmental Protection Agency’s regulatory rollback.

Nevertheless, the former Oklahoma attorney general is persisting — a stance that could enhance his future political prospects in his deep-red home state


Disputing the endangerment finding would be tough, triggering a legal fight from environmental groups that EPA could easily lose given the vast amount of evidence from scientists that shows man-made greenhouse gas emissions harm the environment. And it could last through the end of the Trump administration.

“The downsides are considerable,” said David Bookbinder, chief counsel for the libertarian Niskanen Center, which believes Pruitt has a legal duty to regulate greenhouse gases. “It would take an enormous amount of work to do it, and then [Pruitt] would get laughed out of court.”

Bookbinder argues Pruitt’s climate debate is a “a political exercise entirely.”

“This is nothing more than to give people a show,” Bookbinder said. “The man’s running for Senate next year. Everything he says is calculated toward securing the Republican nomination in Oklahoma and then winning the general election there.”

Pruitt has not disclosed any plans for a Senate run, although Sen. Jim Inhofe’s term is up in 2020. Democrats and watchdog groups have similarly accused Pruitt of using his EPA post and the climate debate to launch a campaign for Congress. Pruitt has helped fuel those accusations by making frequent trips home — based on a review of travel records, Reuters reported that Pruitt spent almost half his days in Oklahoma this past spring.

Pruitt recently told The Oklahoman that he was not interested in jumping into the state’s open gubernatorial race next year. But he declined to speculate on a possible run for Senate if Inhofe retires before Election Day in 2020, at which point Inhofe would be 85.

 

[BartW]

Psh, second hottest? See, it's going back down....

SandVol was right. Ice age is imminent

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The US was not leading the world on "climate change" under Obama. Other countries had already gone full retard.

Exactly. Snowtards like highchair and Bart have bought completely into the Al Gore dumb aid.

 

[Weezy]

The Paris Climate accord was another globalist money grab. Nothing more. And California's results aren't all that great...like 5% GHG reduction since 2000.

 

[tumscalcium]

The Paris Climate accord was another globalist money grab. Nothing more. And California's results aren't all that great...like 5% GHG reduction since 2000.

It's not about what you actually do. It's what you say.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Just curious. Are Michael Moore, Al Gore, or Hillary vegans? Surely none of them eat animals since that type of food production really harms the environment.

 

[Obsessed]

2017 is so far the second-hottest year on record thanks to global warming

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7-gJ5W-kc[/youtube]

Not everyone is having a nice mild summer like Tennessee apparently is.

ROASTING AND GASPING IN PAC NW; ALL-TIME RECORD HEAT IN SOUTHEAST EUROPE

We probably would have hit triple digits here last week if not for all the wildfire smoke... still set daily record highs all throughout the region. We (literally) haven't had any rain in two months. Meanwhile south and east Europe have also had ridiculous heat waves and wildfires this year. Rome, City of Ancient Aqueducts, Faces Water Rationing. In the US we’re on pace to challenge the record for acres burned by wildfire, set just in 2015. Even greenland is on fire. Our underwater rainforests are doing even worse: coral reefs could be extinct by 2050.


In June NOAA declared the global bleaching event has finally subsided, although there is still mass regional bleaching in the forecast, including parts of the US.

I'm calling BS

We didn't have a single triple digit day this summer

Look for a very very cold winter.
We are cooling down.

 

[BartW]

I'm calling BS

We didn't have a single triple digit day this summer

Look for a very very cold winter.
We are cooling down.

July ranks as second hottest month on record

Earth yet again sizzled with unprecedented heat last month.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said Thursday Earth sweated to its second hottest month since record-keeping began in 1880. At 61.89 degrees (16.63 Celsius), last month was behind July 2016's all-time record by .09 degrees.

Earlier this week, NASA calculated that July 2017 was a tad hotter than 2016, making it essentially a tie for all-time hottest month. NASA uses a newer set of ocean measurements and includes estimates for the Arctic unlike NOAA.

Record heat was reported in Africa, Australia, parts of Asia, the Middle East and the Indian Ocean, Crouch said.

 

[BartW]

Harvard scientists took Exxon’s challenge; found it using the tobacco playbook

“Read all of these documents and make up your own mind.”

That was the challenge ExxonMobil issued when investigative journalism by Inside Climate News revealed that while it was at the forefront of climate science research in the 1970s and 1980s, Exxon engaged in a campaign to misinform the public.

Harvard scientists Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes decided to take up Exxon’s challenge, and have just published their results in the journal Environmental Research Letters. They used a method known as content analysisto analyze 187 public and internal Exxon documents. The results are striking:

• In Exxon’s peer-reviewed papers and internal communications, about 80% of the documents acknowledged that climate change is real and human-caused.

• In Exxon’s paid, editorial-style advertisements (“advertorials”) published in the New York Times, about 80% expressed doubt that climate change is real and human-caused.

As Oreskes documented with Erik Conway in Merchants of Doubt, tobacco companies and several other industries that profited from harmful products engaged in decades-long campaigns to sow doubt about the scientific evidence of their hazards. As one R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company 1969 internal memo read:

"Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact’ that exists in the mind of the general public"

The results of this new paper show that Exxon followed this same playbook. While the company’s internal communications and peer-reviewed research were clear about human-caused global warming, its public communications focused heavily on sowing doubt about those scientific conclusions.

What Exxon Mobil Didn’t Say About Climate Change

 

[Grand Vol]

Hey Bart, I surely hope you aren't going to post any articles claiming Hurricane Harvey was a result of Trump pulling us from the Paris Accords. That would be beneath you, at least I hope it is.

Also, still like the job your sister is doing on space.com, but the lip ring is really distracting in her video segments.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yes there is nothing in any way political at NASA.
They are a bastion of objectivity.

 

[BartW]

Taxpayers will pay a high price for loss of flood protection standards

President Trump imperiled taxpayers, ignored free-market principles and hurt the environment when, in mid-August, he rescinded an Obama administration policy that limited federal subsidies to build in areas likely to flood.

Many flood disasters result from deliberate decisions. When a hospital or a water-treatment plant is built in an area prone to flooding and then knocked out of service by a hurricane flood, the disaster is, in many ways, a human-caused one. America can avoid such problems if we choose not to build in places likely to flood and make sure to elevate or protect those structures that must be built in these high-risk areas.

Trump pulls the plug on flood risk management standard

“Taxpayers have been made to shell out hundreds of billions of dollars in disaster-related spending over the past decade, including more than $136 billion for just the two years from 2011 to 2013,” R Street Senior Fellow R.J. Lehmann in Washington said in a statement on Tuesday.

The institute noted that the Trump budget called for $667 million in cuts from the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency’s state and local grant funding, including the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Grant Program, in addition to eliminating the NFIP’s $190 million discretionary appropriation for its Flood Hazard Mapping Program. That program is designed to update decades-old maps FEMA uses to set NFIP rates, which Mr. Lehmann said was a significant contributing factor in why the NFIP fails to collect appropriate risk-based rates. The NFIP is in debt to the tune of $24.6 billion.

“While we share the president’s concern that the current trajectory of federal spending is unsustainable, cutting investments in effective disaster mitigation only serves to exacerbate that problem over the long term,” he said.

Flood insurance splits GOP, spurs bipartisan dealmaking as deadline looms

Smooth move by Trump -- just in time for another unprecedented flooding event. Sadly I believe this is just another instance of him trying to erase anything Obama without considering the consequences.

We spend billions of dollars rebuilding severe repetitive loss properties (dozens of times in some cases) but neither the president nor Congress have the courage to stop wasting money. Studies show that every $1 spent on disaster mitigation saves $4 in post-disaster recovery. But everyone’s just concerned about looking out for number one, kicking the can down the road to save a buck today. Sounds familiar… :whistling:

Prayers to those affected by Harvey

 

[FLVOL69]

Yes there is nothing in any way political at NASA.
They are a bastion of objectivity.

NASA is an acronym for never a straight answer !

 

[Orangeslice13]

Hey Bart, I surely hope you aren't going to post any articles claiming Hurricane Harvey was a result of Trump pulling us from the Paris Accords. That would be beneath you, at least I hope it is.

Also, still like the job your sister is doing on space.com, but the lip ring is really distracting in her video segments.

Holy ducking ship batman!!!!

That's funny as hell

 

[BartW]

Hey Bart, I surely hope you aren't going to post any articles claiming Hurricane Harvey was a result of Trump pulling us from the Paris Accords. That would be beneath you, at least I hope it is.

Also, still like the job your sister is doing on space.com, but the lip ring is really distracting in her video segments.

Of course not. You won't find any articles claiming such. And of course, no single weather event can be explicitly attributed to climate change. That's not how this works. However, this tragedy is undoubtedly made worse by the unusually warm waters in the gulf of mexico and 2+ feet of local sea level rise over the past century.

 

[Grand Vol]

Of course not. You won't find any articles claiming such.

Oh, I wouldn't be so quick to give an absolute answer on that one. Not like some of your environmental folks won't decide to go all out Simple Jack over such things.

Give it time, you might be pleasantly surprised.