Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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Vol Main said:
Well, there it is, what scientific observation is telling us about the process of global warming. The idea that global warming means gradually warmer weather throughout the year in every region of the world is simply not accurate. It is not a straight line.
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For a lot of us the argument is not that the climate is changing - that's pretty much accepted. The argument is what's driving it and "solutions". You cannot be taken seriously for arguing man is driving climate change if you ignore population, population growth, and especially if you protect/ignore/remove from the equation the two greatest drivers - China and India. And you really don't get a pass when it appears globalism (and manufacturing by the worst polluters) doesn't appear to raise an eyebrows by advocates that man is causing climate change. Discuss valid drivers and valid solutions and perhaps people will perhaps listen to the argument that man is at fault; otherwise, man is less than a gnat on the back of world climate history.
 
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AM64 said:
For a lot of us the argument is not that the climate is changing - that's pretty much accepted. The argument is what's driving it and "solutions". You cannot be taken seriously for arguing man is driving climate change if you ignore population, population growth, and especially if you protect/ignore/remove from the equation the two greatest drivers - China and India. And you really don't get a pass when it appears globalism (and manufacturing by the worst polluters) doesn't appear to raise an eyebrows by advocates that man is causing climate change. Discuss valid drivers and valid solutions and perhaps people will perhaps listen to the argument that man is at fault; otherwise, man is less than a gnat on the back of world climate history.
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How do they explain that antarctica was a tropical paradise 70 million years ago. In the grand scheme of things in the history of the earth, that was yesterday. The decades and a hundred years like we are talking now seem like seconds in the history of the planet.
 
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AM64 said:
For a lot of us the argument is not that the climate is changing - that's pretty much accepted. The argument is what's driving it and "solutions". You cannot be taken seriously for arguing man is driving climate change if you ignore population, population growth, and especially if you protect/ignore/remove from the equation the two greatest drivers - China and India. And you really don't get a pass when it appears globalism (and manufacturing by the worst polluters) doesn't appear to raise an eyebrows by advocates that man is causing climate change. Discuss valid drivers and valid solutions and perhaps people will perhaps listen to the argument that man is at fault; otherwise, man is less than a gnat on the back of world climate history.
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Without harping on it, I do try to make a point of global over population being a primary driver of global warming. So you'll need something else to avoid taking me seriously. I agree with you about that. Why? More people use more fossil fuels which releases more CO2 and other greenhouse gases such as methane. The question is what should we do about it? Are you suggesting that we blame somebody else and do nothing?
 
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Vol Main said:
Without harping on it, I do try to make a point of global over population being a primary driver of global warming. So you'll need something else to avoid taking me seriously. I agree with you about that. Why? More people use more fossil fuels which releases more CO2 and other greenhouse gases such as methane. The question is what should we do about it? Are you suggesting that we blame somebody else and do nothing?
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What makes you so sure co2 is the cause of all things climate change?
 
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VolStrom said:
How do they explain that antarctica was a tropical paradise 70 million years ago. In the grand scheme of things in the history of the earth, that was yesterday. The decades and a hundred years like we are talking now seem like seconds in the history of the planet.
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And even considering the tiny part that man has been around, climate change advocates ignore a big iced over island named "Greenland". Several years ago some fanatics dug a P-38 out of the snow and ice on Greenland. The plane was being ferried to England during WW2. Between 1942 and 2007 the planes that landed and were stranded on ice covered Greenland were buried under more than 250 feet of snow and ice. Physics alone would say you can't have had that continual ice buildup, and this was well into man's industrial development. What goes up must come down, and that would be no different with snow packs and sea levels. The earth's climate and geography simply aren't static, and that's an inconvenient fact.
 
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AM64 said:
And even considering the tiny part that man has been around, climate change advocates ignore a big iced over island named "Greenland". Several years ago some fanatics dug a P-38 out of the snow and ice on Greenland. The plane was being ferried to England during WW2. Between 1942 and 2007 the planes that landed and were stranded on ice covered Greenland were buried under more than 250 feet of snow and ice. Physics alone would say you can't have had that continual ice buildup, and this was well into man's industrial development. What goes up must come down, and that would be no different with snow packs and sea levels. The earth's climate and geography simply aren't static, and that's an inconvenient fact.
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If liberals understood science and engineering they'd be conservatives, but instead they are teachers.
 
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Vol Main said:
Without harping on it, I do try to make a point of global over population being a primary driver of global warming. So you'll need something else to avoid taking me seriously. I agree with you about that. Why? More people use more fossil fuels which releases more CO2 and other greenhouse gases such as methane. The question is what should we do about it? Are you suggesting that we blame somebody else and do nothing?
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Maybe the suggestion is what’s the point if the primary drivers aren’t doing s**t about it. The dim solution is to cripple everyone else and HOPE the primary drivers will do their part........eventually.
 
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VolStrom said:
What makes you so sure co2 is the cause of all things climate change?
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"CO2 and other greenhouse gases" I did not say that CO2 was the cause of all things climate change. You said that. I didn't. There are a multitude of causes for climate change, but the reality is that our atmosphere is thin, and we've been pouring tons of composition altering substances into it since the industrial revolution began, and before that, actually. There is little doubt about green house gases being a major determinant for increases in atmospheric and ocean temperatures. Among 99% of scientists who make climate their life's work, there is virtually no doubt.
 
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Vol Main said:
"CO2 and other greenhouse gases" I did not say that CO2 was the cause of all things climate change. You said that. I didn't. There are a multitude of causes for climate change, but the reality is that our atmosphere is thin, and we've been pouring tons of composition altering substances into it since the industrial revolution began, and before that, actually. There is little doubt about green house gases being a major determinant for increases in atmospheric and ocean temperatures. Among 99% of scientists who make climate their life's work, there is virtually no doubt.
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Are any of them 4.5 billion years old?
 
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It all makes sense now. In one of the other threads people are talking about how awesome it is consuming sugar filled drinks, moon pies, and bologna.

How can we expect people to care about the world when they don't even care about themselves?
 
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Get China and India to invest per capita what the U.S. does and you have an argument about this. Otherwise, it's a non sequitur.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Get China and India to invest per capita what the U.S. does and you have an argument about this. Otherwise, it's a non sequitur.
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You say that as if China and India are not investing in green technology. They are. Now you can say something negative, and yes, their populations make industrialization a huge environmental problem. But the fact is that China is making serious commitments to transition to green energy.
 
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Vol Main said:
You say that as if China and India are not investing in green technology. They are. Now you can say something negative, and yes, their populations make industrialization a huge environmental problem. But the fact is that China is making serious commitments to transition to green energy.
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Lol. Sure they are.
 
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Vol Main said:
You say that as if China and India are not investing in green technology. They are. Now you can say something negative, and yes, their populations make industrialization a huge environmental problem. But the fact is that China is making serious commitments to transition to green energy.
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Except their amount of pollution keeps rising. It doesnt matter if they add another solar farm if they are adding two or more coal plants along with it.

The UN said the US shouldnt join the Paris Accords as what we are doing is working. Isnt working for any of the signers.

The U.N. Says America Is Already Cutting So Much Carbon It Doesn’t Need The Paris Climate Accord

Thanks Trump
 
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Vol Main said:
You say that as if China and India are not investing in green technology. They are. Now you can say something negative, and yes, their populations make industrialization a huge environmental problem. But the fact is that China is making serious commitments to transition to green energy.
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Are we calling Thorium Reactors “Green “ now?
 
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