Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[Wafflestomper]

Needs a lot more proof due to consequence. Like I said, the elite dont seem so concerned in their actions.

The elite also aren't scientists.

 

[allvol123]

You all don't even seem to know what a scientific theory is. It sounds like you think it falls below facts and laws in a hierarchy, but it's typically comprised of facts and laws. Gravitation is a scientific theory.

Let's play a game. I'll prove gravity with you. Then you prove man made climate change. I'll go first.

 

[luthervol]

Let's play a game. I'll prove gravity with you. Then you prove man made climate change. I'll go first.

Go.

 

[allvol123]

Go.

Find your nearest 10 story building, walk off the roof. Report back.

 

[luthervol]

Find your nearest 10 story building, walk off the roof. Report back.

My turn. Check the temp. Compare to previous years.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Let's play a game. I'll prove gravity with you. Then you prove man made climate change. I'll go first.

Are you suggesting that it ought to be as simple as walking off a building to prove a theory? Do you know what the theory of gravitation says? I'm betting it's more complicated than you think it is.

I'll play another game with you. Post some of the scientific literature you've read on climate change and then provide appropriate refutations proving it's wrong.

 

[allvol123]

Are you suggesting that it ought to be as simple as walking off a building to prove a theory? Do you know what the theory of gravitation says? I'm betting it's more complicated than you think it is.

I'll play another game with you. Post some of the scientific literature you've read on climate change and then provide appropriate refutations proving it's wrong.

I'm sure it is. But gravity in my life is consistently repeatable. Thus reliable and able to be worked with in my life.

I dont have to prove they are wrong, they have to prove they are correct.

 

[allvol123]

My turn. Check the temp. Compare to previous years.

Nope, you didnt do it.

 

[Wafflestomper]

I'm sure it is. But gravity in my life is consistently repeatable. Thus reliable and able to be worked with in my life.

I dont have to prove they are wrong, they have to prove they are correct.

And you say they haven't done that. Based on what? What research have you done that refutes what they've put out?

 

[Carl Pickens]

My turn. Check the temp. Compare to previous years.

Like the ice ages too?

 

[luthervol]

Nope, you didnt do it.

Sure I did. To the exact same degree you proved the theory of gravity.

 

[luthervol]

Like the ice ages too?

yep

 

[allvol123]

And you say they haven't done that. Based on what? What research have you done that refutes what they've put out?

I go to the same beach house I've been to for 40 plus years. It isnt in danger, all is good. Climate changes, I'm good with that. That is understood literally in the definition of climate. I'll take my chances.

 

[allvol123]

Like the ice ages too?

Look, fearmongers gotta fear. They produce no other value in life.

 

[Wafflestomper]

I go to the same beach house I've been to for 40 plus years. It isnt in danger, all is good. Climate changes, I'm good with that. That is understood literally in the definition of climate. I'll take my chances.

And what scientific literature on climate change does this refute?

 

[Orange defense]

Like the ice ages too?

 

[Weezy]

Thought I would share a good article on nuclear advocacy.

The Activists Who Embrace Nuclear Power | The New Yorker

It's a good article. But I'd like to see articles on Renewables plant the same seeds of doubt that's in this one (industry funding, waste, costs, no room for nuclear). There's a reason wind and solar haven't taken off without massive government help. They just aren't reliable, and likely never will be since batteries are so far away from the cost and scale they need to be for utility use. And if they were...what about their footprint (huge) or their wastes (ignored)?

 

[AM64]

Thought I would share a good article on nuclear advocacy.

The Activists Who Embrace Nuclear Power | The New Yorker

It's a good article. But I'd like to see articles on Renewables plant the same seeds of doubt that's in this one (industry funding, waste, costs, no room for nuclear). There's a reason wind and solar haven't taken off without massive government help. They just aren't reliable, and likely never will be since batteries are so far away from the cost and scale they need to be for utility use. And if they were...what about their footprint (huge) or their wastes (ignored)?

Interesting article. I wish they were a bit more informative about how far removed from reactor coolant the ocean water in the final cooling loop actually is, but they did say the environmentalists only questioned the increased temperature. Nuclear plants on rivers have to sometimes have to reduce power in the summer if rivers are low because of temperature constraints. Any time heat is used in energy transfer, differential temperatures are important (even a car cooling system in the summer), so river flow and temperature are the bottom numbers in the heat sink equation. Those external cooling sources are well removed and far too impure to use in the primary and in PWRs the secondary cooling loops as is the vapor coming out of cooling towers.

Even though fuel melted at Three Mile Island and pressure relief valves vented steam directly, any contamination released was extremely low. I was there on site the next day for a couple of weeks and then a few more times on and off over the summer. Dosimetry was monitored daily, and my exposure was extremely low during the period - I've had more in a single day at other plants because of location within the plant. The radiation monitors did show high levels of radiation due to xenon gas, so we wore rain suits and respirators, but other than the inconvenience of the protective gear, it was not really a problem. Because the relief valves stuck open and became the real problem - loss of coolant, we and the rest of the industry developed instrumentation to warn of valves failing to reclose and reseat. What we developed at B&W (and I believe all others) were based on flow noise detected by accelerometers. I believe new or additional tailpipe temperature monitoring may have been added, but those respond more slowly.

 

[Carl Pickens]

yep

So explain how the earth warmed after the ice age before the internal combustion engine was invented

 

[LouderVol]

Are you suggesting that it ought to be as simple as walking off a building to prove a theory? Do you know what the theory of gravitation says? I'm betting it's more complicated than you think it is.

I'll play another game with you. Post some of the scientific literature you've read on climate change and then provide appropriate refutations proving it's wrong.

I posted a link several pages back from an article saying that lack of pollution this year lead to an increase in global warming.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Thought I would share a good article on nuclear advocacy.

The Activists Who Embrace Nuclear Power | The New Yorker

It's a good article. But I'd like to see articles on Renewables plant the same seeds of doubt that's in this one (industry funding, waste, costs, no room for nuclear). There's a reason wind and solar haven't taken off without massive government help. They just aren't reliable, and likely never will be since batteries are so far away from the cost and scale they need to be for utility use. And if they were...what about their footprint (huge) or their wastes (ignored)?

I don't think it's fair to say renewables aren't reliable. I don't think we should be relying on them as a baseload but I think they're important in the ever evolving energy strategy. I've said for a long time that climate activists who are anti-nuclear are either delusional or aren't actually serious.

That said, nuclear does have some pretty big obstacles--cost and long-term storage of high-level waste that stays radioactive for thousands of years.

 

[Orangeburst]

I don't think it's fair to say renewables aren't reliable. I don't think we should be relying on them as a baseload but I think they're important in the ever evolving energy strategy. I've said for a long time that climate activists who are anti-nuclear are either delusional or aren't actually serious.

That said, nuclear does have some pretty big obstacles--cost and long-term storage of high-level waste that stays radioactive for thousands of years.

Deep minds at work

Team develops new way to recycle nuclear waste - Futurity

 

[luthervol]

So explain how the earth warmed after the ice age before the internal combustion engine was invented

??
We are still in an ice age, but the Earth has always had periods of warming and cooling.
That has nothing to do with man's impact on those natural changes.

 

[golfballs]

John Kerry, WH special envoy on climate: The U.S. has less than 9 years to avoid a climate catastrophe

John Kerry says we have exactly 2 election cycles left.

 

[hog88]

John Kerry says we have exactly 2 election cycles left.

if John Kerry says it's going to happen take it to the bank. His prognostication record is better than LGs.