Official Jon Gruden Thread 37

[Sara Clark]

I'm a law student who has taken ethics. If that poster on VQ is a lawyer, then he is guilty of a very serious violation of the TN ethics rules. I highly doubt any attorney would jeopardize their career to post on a college football message board.

No reputable law firm would behave in this manner; even if asked by a client to do it!

 

[roberthunter]

Of all these rumors, the one I find the most ridiculous is that Currie is intentionally delaying things and feeding negative rumors so he can look like a hero in the end.

a. He would look like a hero regardless of the timing if we hire Gruden
b. How would that even leak? He would either
i. have to communicate that idea to other people, which is preposterous, or
ii. keep that plan to himself, in which case it couldn't "leak"

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

What’s up, Grudenites??

SOON

:naughty:

 

[Wild @s a Mink]

You only said bros. That means it’s still happening for the girls. Ya hear that, Sara and SFD? Yay!

Count me in as well! I’m a chica!

 

[Herman Hickman]

Now that most people seem to have cooled off, I feel like this is a post I have to make.

A lot of people here think I'm a troll, and honestly I understand. I've posted a lot of information this week and we've been burned here far too many times to count. When I made my initial post about the Tampa meeting I was scared. I was told information by a business associate who happened to be on the BOT, and wanted to share it. I was afraid it could be traced back to that person, or possibly ruin business relations with the company I work for. I eventually decided to go ahead and post the info, and thankfully all seemed to go well. Not only was it well received, but parts of it were corroborated by national media that day.

Following that post I heard absolutely nothing for 2 days. No new info came my way except for a text comfirming the deal was done. Fast forward to last night when I was suddenly being given info from multiple directions. Two people who I do not work particularly close with but trust gave me the majority of the info I posted today.

Honestly, I believe that everything I posted Tuesday and Wednesday was factual, and I'm mostly sure that what I posted today was as well. After seeing some of the reaction and thinking back on the conversations I had last night, I at least think there's a possibility I'm now being used. If my BOT contact or the AD realized that I leaked the information they gave me and that it received a lot of traction both here and elsewhere, It may have been decided to use me as a pawn. It's possible that I was purposely fed information last night. For what purpose I am not sure.

If this is the case then I am truly sorry. I genuinely hope that this is not what has happened, but if it is then I would never forgive myself for falling for that. I know that I would be crucified here, but just know that I would be twice as hard on myself. In light of that possibility you will not be receiving any more info from me and I won't post beyond today. There's no way I could trust anything I'm told at this point. It may be paranoia, but it's how I feel. If I've been found out then I also feel lile it would be best if I stop posting for personal and business interests.

If Gruden does end up being announced then I'll gladly come back and celebrate with you all. My hope is that everything I've been told is on the up and up.

When all is said and done, the things you've posted will be proven more factual than not.

There are a few who were engaged in nitpicking, as if a detail out of order here or there discounts the entirety of the information you posted. Most people understand that intelligence received on a second or third-hand basis will come with some inconsistencies here and there. It is up to the individuals receiving the material to determine the level of accuracy.

General Neyland got his intel on Kentucky football directly from Adolph Rupp. Rupp wasn't a football man and the material wasn't entirely on target. But it was accurate enough for Neyland to use to full advantage.

The depth of information you've given us and the intelligent manner in which it has been provided are markers of your sincerity. It is highly-appreciated.

:hi:

 

[UTVolinExile]

Please explain how Pills info is bad for pro Gruden. Many of us have a public school education. Lol

I'm not talking about pill, was talking about the so-called lawyer on VQ.

 

[volnpowell]

Enjoy... I'm not sure there is much more for me to find out at the moment. I'll let you know if I hear anything new, but at this point I believe we're just waiting for an announcement.

Buyout:

• Buyout terms were agreed upon prior to the Tampa meeting.
• Don't know the exact terms, but was told that it is "very open on both ends" allowing both sides an easy exit.
• Gruden's agent initially wanted them to have a liquidated-damages clause of 0 and Tennessee wanted a mutual buyout. This was the eventual compromise.

Endorsements:

• Since first contact a major source of contention has been Gruden's current and future endorsements.
• Frankly I don't think my two sources know how this ended up turning out and they acted like it may still be an issue.
• As best as I understand it, Gruden does not want Tennessee meddling in his endorsements, while Tennessee is adamant that he will need to drop endorsements.
• I got the feeling money wasn't the issue, but it was more of an issue of principle with Gruden.

Additional contract info I picked up:

• Gruden has an out-clause on his ESPN contract. No buyout.
• Was told a contract length of 4 years by one person, other did not know.
• 3 leased vehicles.
• "Around 25" season tickets.
• Bonus of 1m.
• Not as heavily incentivized as rumors have said. Base salary is pretty close to total salary.
• Around 9m with around 1.5m in bonuses.
• I wasn't given exact numbers on the salary so I would take that number with a grain of salt.

Staff:

• Most of the staff-related issues I referenced two days ago I found out centered around Tee Martin.
• Gruden has placed a great deal of importance on Tee due to his recruiting prowess.
• Gruden has made it clear that he does not want to be on the road recruiting every single free night, and he feels (whether right or wrong), that having Tee on staff will take a lot of that pressure off of him.
• When Tee was contacted 2 weeks ago it appeared as if there would be little to no resistance on either side if Gruden was hired. Things became complicated late last week when Tee was contacted by Georgia Southern. Another source I talked to said he's also been contacted by UTEP, but I'm not as confident in that source.
• Tee is currently in limbo and no one I talked to knows who a potential replacement would be.

Timing:

• Gruden has no interest in coaching this year.
• He will not coach vs. Vanderbilt regardless of when an announcement is made.
• If we somehow win the next 2 games he would be involved in the bowl preparation.
• Due to that he prefers an official announcement on 11/28, with controlled leaks beginning on 11/26.
• As of 2 days ago the AD had pushed for an announcement on 11/21 with controlled leaks beginning on 11/20.
• Not sure what they've agreed on to be honest.

Source Confidence that deal is done:

• I was able to talk to 2 of my 3 sources face-to-face yesterday and they both say that the deal is done.
• Last time I talked to my main source they seemed confident as well.
• I have no reason to doubt them.

When debating "leak" dates, is this not a "leak"?

I know you posted afterwards about possibly being used as a pawn, but just had to point that out.

 

[Giveem6]

Gonna be playing that song man. Love that song. Rocky top!

 

[VFLnSFD]

When all is said and done, the things you've posted will be proven more factual than not.

There are a few who were engaged in nitpicking, as if a detail out of order here or there discounts the entirety of the information you posted. Most people understand that intelligence received on a second or third-hand basis will come with some inconsistencies here and there. It is up to the individuals receiving the material to determine the level of accuracy.

General Neyland got his intel on Kentucky football directly from Adolph Rupp. Rupp wasn't a football man and the material wasn't entirely on target. But it was accurate enough for Neyland to use to full advantage.

The depth of information you've given us and the intelligent manner in which it has been provided are markers of your sincerity. It is highly-appreciated.

:hi:

Very well said.

 

[UTK-PROMBA2014]

Where does everyone’s Grudometer stand?

I’m at 75%

 

[CJBlaze]

We're gonna end up with some suck ass coach nobody's heard of watch
It's what Tennessee does (since the 90's)

 

[ForkedDeerVol]

Of all these rumors, the one I find the most ridiculous is that Currie is intentionally delaying things and feeding negative rumors so he can look like a hero in the end.

a. He would look like a hero regardless of the timing if we hire Gruden
b. How would that even leak? He would either
i. have to communicate that idea to other people, which is preposterous, or
ii. keep that plan to himself, in which case it couldn't "leak"

I agree. They are not gonna announce new coach before LSU. Probably not until after Vandy. No matter who it is.

Soon

 

[Ten_Titans]

Unless the client gave his attorney the authority to slow leak it.

Does that make any logical sense to you? Comon'

 

[Hawkpilot]

Now that most people seem to have cooled off, I feel like this is a post I have to make.

A lot of people here think I'm a troll, and honestly I understand. I've posted a lot of information this week and we've been burned here far too many times to count. When I made my initial post about the Tampa meeting I was scared. I was told information by a business associate who happened to be on the BOT, and wanted to share it. I was afraid it could be traced back to that person, or possibly ruin business relations with the company I work for. I eventually decided to go ahead and post the info, and thankfully all seemed to go well. Not only was it well received, but parts of it were corroborated by national media that day.

Following that post I heard absolutely nothing for 2 days. No new info came my way except for a text comfirming the deal was done. Fast forward to last night when I was suddenly being given info from multiple directions. Two people who I do not work particularly close with but trust gave me the majority of the info I posted today.

Honestly, I believe that everything I posted Tuesday and Wednesday was factual, and I'm mostly sure that what I posted today was as well. After seeing some of the reaction and thinking back on the conversations I had last night, I at least think there's a possibility I'm now being used. If my BOT contact or the AD realized that I leaked the information they gave me and that it received a lot of traction both here and elsewhere, It may have been decided to use me as a pawn. It's possible that I was purposely fed information last night. For what purpose I am not sure.

If this is the case then I am truly sorry. I genuinely hope that this is not what has happened, but if it is then I would never forgive myself for falling for that. I know that I would be crucified here, but just know that I would be twice as hard on myself. In light of that possibility you will not be receiving any more info from me and I won't post beyond today. There's no way I could trust anything I'm told at this point. It may be paranoia, but it's how I feel. If I've been found out then I also feel lile it would be best if I stop posting for personal and business interests.

If Gruden does end up being announced then I'll gladly come back and celebrate with you all. My hope is that everything I've been told is on the up and up.

I wish you would stay..people have run off to many good posters on here..yet they will believe every fake post on twitter..SMH.

 

[RikidyBones]

From Swain....


Sigh... get it together.

GRUDEN HAS TOLD PPL HES NOT COMING AND SAID NO.

TENNESSEE SHOUKD KEEP TRYING. SABAN SAID NO TOO.

AGAIN, IM MOVING ON. If i get new info I’ll share. This not hard to understand

stop posting stuff from Swain. he doesn't know a thing and has zero sources.

 

[VFLnSFD]

I wish you would stay..people have run off to many good posters on here..yet they will believe every fake post on twitter..SMH.

Co-signed

 

[revjayp]

I'm not talking about pill, was talking about the so-called lawyer on VQ.

What I’m saying is why is Pill distraught over feeling like a pawn. Why would the AD/BOT member “use” him/her to put that info out and why would it be considered bad? I’m confused as to why Pill is upset... it appears to me that’s what we all want to hear... what am I missing?

 

[CJBlaze]

I do believe UT went after Gruden with the VIN and vigger of all time!Gruden just don't wanna coach college.Too much work

 

[TJunky]

No AV.
No bad info from beav.
No denial from the Grude.
No denial from Currie.
Many folks trending down on gruden.

To.....The.....HILL.

152%

 

[Giveem6]

We're gonna end up with some suck ass coach nobody's heard of watch
It's what Tennessee does (since the 90's)

Since the 90s???? We won the national championship in 98? Pretty sure I watched that myself and Fulmer didn't even leave until what 2007? Ummmmmmm... Drinking early I see!

 

[ClearwaterVol]

From VQ poster in response to pills post:

Originally Posted by :
Here's what I will say in response to the information above. I am an associate at a large law firm with deep ties to the South. My firm handles certain matters in Tampa. The partner I work for is a rainmaker and a lifelong Vol. Recently, the existence of secret negotiations of great interest to many were leaked by unknown persons and covered by multiple media outlets. If the rumored deal were to complete, it is fair to say the parties would have to reach terms on compensation, very likely to include performance-based incentives. My work day ended around 2:00 Eastern last night. I'll be getting back to the grind shortly, continuing throughout the weekend. Due to the professional rules and confidentiality obligations governing lawyers, I cannot disclose the name of the client for whom I am working this weekend or any details regarding the nature of the representation. But I can say that each of the above statements is true and correct. These are exciting times for the University of Tennessee. If all goes well, you'll see a great coach in place very soon. GBO.

I hope this is a troll because if not that guy placed his law license in jeopardy.

 

[etsuvol13]

Now that most people seem to have cooled off, I feel like this is a post I have to make.

A lot of people here think I'm a troll, and honestly I understand. I've posted a lot of information this week and we've been burned here far too many times to count. When I made my initial post about the Tampa meeting I was scared. I was told information by a business associate who happened to be on the BOT, and wanted to share it. I was afraid it could be traced back to that person, or possibly ruin business relations with the company I work for. I eventually decided to go ahead and post the info, and thankfully all seemed to go well. Not only was it well received, but parts of it were corroborated by national media that day.

Following that post I heard absolutely nothing for 2 days. No new info came my way except for a text comfirming the deal was done. Fast forward to last night when I was suddenly being given info from multiple directions. Two people who I do not work particularly close with but trust gave me the majority of the info I posted today.

Honestly, I believe that everything I posted Tuesday and Wednesday was factual, and I'm mostly sure that what I posted today was as well. After seeing some of the reaction and thinking back on the conversations I had last night, I at least think there's a possibility I'm now being used. If my BOT contact or the AD realized that I leaked the information they gave me and that it received a lot of traction both here and elsewhere, It may have been decided to use me as a pawn. It's possible that I was purposely fed information last night. For what purpose I am not sure.

If this is the case then I am truly sorry. I genuinely hope that this is not what has happened, but if it is then I would never forgive myself for falling for that. I know that I would be crucified here, but just know that I would be twice as hard on myself. In light of that possibility you will not be receiving any more info from me and I won't post beyond today. There's no way I could trust anything I'm told at this point. It may be paranoia, but it's how I feel. If I've been found out then I also feel lile it would be best if I stop posting for personal and business interests.

If Gruden does end up being announced then I'll gladly come back and celebrate with you all. My hope is that everything I've been told is on the up and up.

Yeahhhhhh, the UT AD is using you as a pawn. Wow. You are just sad. Just fess up like the rest of the "insiders" that "went silent." You all are anti-vols imo. Coming on here, and pumping people full of vague, bs, non-factual information. People like you are the reason this fan base is a laughing stock, and you are a detriment to the legitimate coaching search. You put crap in peoples brains that will make it so much more difficult for the next HC to have solid support.

:thud:

 

[otis72]

i say chucky to the hill unless currie says otherwise

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

130.99%

:naughty:

 

[ericberry4heisman]

My hopes are pretty low today, but I am holding out hope based on one thing: Atlanta’s absence.

We know there was a big Wednesday meeting, that he hinted to us about beforehand. He told us he wouldn’t tell us if the deal was done. And he hasn’t posted any news since posting his message about Wednesday being a big day.

It could mean that we got a deal done. Because I do believe that if Gruden had turned us down that ATL would tell us.

So I think we are most likely still awaiting a final decision from Gruden, but it’s also possible he’s already said yes. I don’t think he has said no.