Official Jon Gruden Thread IX

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cutnitclose said:
lol.... maybe... I am just trying to connect the dots..

It is no secret that I get a little info every once in a while, but so far non of mine has really lined up with the majority of the stuff on here except a few odd post here and there...


Again not doubting the info posted.... Just trying to figure it all out....

It has almost became the same thing as watching one of the old X-Files shows..:)
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I have Argued this Ainge thing a number of times but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't have to add up for the final outcome to be gruden. It's really insignificant other than it proves to me we have some posters that aren't willing to look at the reality of this new freedom of info from Ainge and see that their old stance on him being a puppet is flat out wrong.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Kind of has the tone of a "disgruntled former employee".
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Yeah, some of it would ring true and then it wanders off on tangents that give me that vibe, and/or the vibe of somebody that just dislikes coaches in general.

The negatives listed in that could describe a HUGE number of big time football coaches.
 
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utvolpj said:
not saying I buy her info or not but you don't think she still has a friend or 2 over at ESPN?
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I was inclined to believe she had info because I mean, come on, if you're close to the situation and have info to spill who are you going to tell, Joe Schad or Erin Andrews?
 
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Coastypop said:
That makes sense VM14.... Also the fact that Skeeter come in here with drivebys either says he has been told to cool it on Gruden or he is suspicious that Hart actually has a done deal with him and is trying to discover what we know???

Skeeter is a mystery to me
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No matter what their percentages are, notice neither Larry or Skeeter have said Gruden IS NOT happening. If they were so sure they would say zero % chance but they haven't.
 
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tim said:
Skeeter I am perplexed with your last post and heres why... If you are hearing we will seek permission to speak with Mora, Strong, and Golden why in the hell would you have zero info on Gruden? And, if this is the case what has Hart been doing all week? Im sure you are asking yourself the same question and thus you popped up in the Gruden threads I just cant understand the canyon of info between you and others. Otherwise, I have much respect for you for your past contributions and honesty and wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
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Good question.
 
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#11,738
Man We need this to go public. My brother inlaw who was born in Louisiana and is a huge LSU fan keeps bringing up that Al Golden and Charlie Strong are 2 options. I cannot settle for 2nd. Ive got to have the best coach in the family.
 
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patrick said:
Yo coasty, boro, oci, carter.... what do u guys think of the post this morning in the Gruden cliff notes from the new guy sterling pearling concerning Gruden's agent and other stuff about Gruden????
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I think someone doesn't like Bob or Jon very much. Sports agency is a hugely competitive and secretive environment. I know, almost went that route many years ago. Unfathomable that a former employee and current employee if another agency knows anything about what goes on in Bobs office.
 
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tim said:
Skeeter I am perplexed with your last post and heres why... If you are hearing we will seek permission to speak with Mora, Strong, and Golden why in the hell would you have zero info on Gruden? And, if this is the case what has Hart been doing all week? Im sure you are asking yourself the same question and thus you popped up in the Gruden threads I just cant understand the canyon of info between you and others. Otherwise, I have much respect for you for your past contributions and honesty and wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
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I think you're on to something.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Said this a few times already and It's pretty simple actually. But I'll try again...whether the AD told him to hush or not, he knew Gruden didn't want to be publicly attached to the job while Dooley was still the HC. He didn't want to say anything to jeopardise getting Gruden so he changed his tune for the time being. Notice Ainge went back to talking Gruden after Dooley was fired. It's really not that hard to fathom.
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This ^^^
 
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sterlingpearling said:
Here is a note from one of friends who worked for Bob Lamonte (Gruden's agent) for three years, and recently left for another agency. I asked him to read the threads on the board and respond to me with his thoughts. He still actively talks to Bob (not often) and others in his office (daily). I don't have anything to add personally as I am not connected to anyone else including boosters, the search, or the AD. Hope this is helpful.

"What you should know about Bob:
He is the most ruthless coach's agent out there. He reps Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Josh Mcdaniels and about 80 others. He also represents Jon Gruden- whom he protects like a golden fetus. Every team that has done a deal with any of Bob's coaches has lived to regret the terms Bob negotiates- without exception. His belief is that coaches should have full control, long contracts, and big punitive punishment downside for meddling owners. This rarely works in practice, but Bob will enforce it, and sue if he has to. When UCLA and Michigan were interested in Jon, Bob sent them something he calls "The Minimum Requirements doc" which basically outlines the types of things Jon would need in a job. These "minimum requirements" are non-negotiable. They are also scary: 60mm in salary, 20mm buyout, full control of hiring and firing. No direct counsel with AD regarding hiring, firing or best practices etc. Both UCLA and Michigan walked away based on this document. There are literally things in this doc that are contrary to basic university governance, information flow, and access. They are a no go for any university board, and therefore things don't usually go far when colleges come calling for Jon. Here is an important point: No college or pro job has made it to Jon's desk in the last three years. They all stop at Bob. Ultimately, if someone is willing to say yes to Bob's document, then they can outline a deal offer, and Bob will take it to Jon. As of yesterday, the status is the same. No offer has gone to Jon. Last week, Arkansas tried to circumvent Bob, by not responding to the requirements doc. They instead sent an offer letter outlining a salary offer, assistant coaches budget, and some other perks. It was a big package (over 65mm). Bob did not respond. Tennessee has the Minimum Requirements doc in hand. They have not made an offer, nor expressed that they will go along with the basic terms. They have called Bob's office asking several questions. His assistant asked them to read and sign the doc, then Bob will answer questions. There have been no calls, visits, plane rides or anything else from boosters. The communication has been between the AD and Bob. Jon has been talking on television, getting driven around by his driver, having his nails done (true) and probably laughing at all the talk- if he even knows it is going on. Jon likes to hear other people talk about how "in demand" he is, and then claim he hasn't heard the rumors. Cute. Bob doesn't have a signed letter, and he won't be in on Friday. So- I can say with authority, there is not a deal, and will not be a deal this week. If they want to make a deal with the devil and sign the doc, they can start talking next week, but I would call that a long shot.

Things you should know about Jon:
If you do get a date with the dream boy, you should know these things: He is high maintenance. He does things his way. If you don't like it, you can sit, or walk. Jon is not a teacher. He does not like to interact with rookies, or even young guys unless they are absolute stars who can accelerate into pro-bowlers in three years. Even then, he doesn't teach them. He is a brilliant strategist, he is a genius at understanding scheme mismatches, and he surrounds himself with smart assistants (who traditionally are also not teachers). He is brilliant at using a specific type of quarterback to execute a very specific offensive strategy. He has a deep understanding of evaluating quarterback talent in the context of his system, and downside. He is also is a big believer in deep statistical analysis regarding player "value" based on years in the league, talent, and coach-ability. Every player is evaluated like a stock. When their "value" goes below a certain level, they are traded. Many people believe that Jon may be the best pro coach available if he is given the right talent. He has passed on pro job due to the existing QB, and the "stock profile" of the current rosters. Many analysts also believe his talents don't translate to college well. These are not message board football analysts. These are professional talent consultants who guide owners on acquiring coaches and players. None of my friends who know Jon personally think that he would be good in college either. Neither does Bob. One final note: Bob hates Saban. Saban hates Bob. They met when Nick was at LSU to discuss representation. They didn't hit it off to say the least. Bob wandered too far into joking about players being paid at MSU and LSU, and Nick didn't like it. Google Ralph Cindrich if you want to meet one of Bob's pals who also hates Nick even more. I have no idea whether Saban cheats by the way. I don't think he has to at this point, but that doesn't stop others from pointing. Part of me wonders if Bob would like to see Jon beat Nick. A larger part of me thinks he would not subject Jon to that because he believes Nick would crush him- often and well. Jon is an extension of Bob's ego, and will be until Jon falls. Bob is in no rush to see that happen. As for these characters on this site who say they have high up friends who are saying Jon is signed, it is not true. They may believe it, but it is not so. In closing, I can only say, be careful what you wish for as it may come true. if your university hires Jon, you will be making a bet that would wreck the program for a decade if it doesn't work. it could also work, but man that is a big "if". As for today, no one from UT will have access to Jon until they clear Bob. That has not happened as of yesterday at 6pm EST".
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I am only responding in here to challenge this information.

It has bitterness and bias all over it. It doesn't add up and smells like a Troll to me.
 
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Well boys, i just got back from my meeting with devil roll tide. We made an agreement where in return for gruden I will wear a Bama hat constantly(even in the shower) and end all my sentences with roll tide for the next year roll tide. I did this for you volnation roll tide.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Kind of has the tone of a "disgruntled former employee".
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Yep, Gruden has many of these. Incompetents and lazy employees under Gruden hate their life. He makes enemies this way. There are many videos of him working with kids and rookies. He is great at it. He is good at most things related to football. Keyshawn and other lazy athletes hated Gruden. He would ride them. He did the same if an assistant was not giving his all. Gruden is one of the greatest teachers in the game period. Anyone stating otherwise has lost their ind and/or is disgruntled.
 
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