Official Jon Gruden Thread IX

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cutnitclose said:
So now the AD/boosters have giving him permission to talk about it?

Don't flame me... I am just asking the question..:hi:
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That ball has already been taken home and isn't allowed to be played with due to the nature of your question. The answer would require many posters to admit they were wrong about this part of the process.
 
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Here is a note from one of friends who worked for Bob Lamonte (Gruden's agent) for three years, and recently left for another agency. I asked him to read the threads on the board and respond to me with his thoughts. He still actively talks to Bob (not often) and others in his office (daily). I don't have anything to add personally as I am not connected to anyone else including boosters, the search, or the AD. Hope this is helpful.

"What you should know about Bob:
He is the most ruthless coach's agent out there. He reps Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Josh Mcdaniels and about 80 others. He also represents Jon Gruden- whom he protects like a golden fetus. Every team that has done a deal with any of Bob's coaches has lived to regret the terms Bob negotiates- without exception. His belief is that coaches should have full control, long contracts, and big punitive punishment downside for meddling owners. This rarely works in practice, but Bob will enforce it, and sue if he has to. When UCLA and Michigan were interested in Jon, Bob sent them something he calls "The Minimum Requirements doc" which basically outlines the types of things Jon would need in a job. These "minimum requirements" are non-negotiable. They are also scary: 60mm in salary, 20mm buyout, full control of hiring and firing. No direct counsel with AD regarding hiring, firing or best practices etc. Both UCLA and Michigan walked away based on this document. There are literally things in this doc that are contrary to basic university governance, information flow, and access. They are a no go for any university board, and therefore things don't usually go far when colleges come calling for Jon. Here is an important point: No college or pro job has made it to Jon's desk in the last three years. They all stop at Bob. Ultimately, if someone is willing to say yes to Bob's document, then they can outline a deal offer, and Bob will take it to Jon. As of yesterday, the status is the same. No offer has gone to Jon. Last week, Arkansas tried to circumvent Bob, by not responding to the requirements doc. They instead sent an offer letter outlining a salary offer, assistant coaches budget, and some other perks. It was a big package (over 65mm). Bob did not respond. Tennessee has the Minimum Requirements doc in hand. They have not made an offer, nor expressed that they will go along with the basic terms. They have called Bob's office asking several questions. His assistant asked them to read and sign the doc, then Bob will answer questions. There have been no calls, visits, plane rides or anything else from boosters. The communication has been between the AD and Bob. Jon has been talking on television, getting driven around by his driver, having his nails done (true) and probably laughing at all the talk- if he even knows it is going on. Jon likes to hear other people talk about how "in demand" he is, and then claim he hasn't heard the rumors. Cute. Bob doesn't have a signed letter, and he won't be in on Friday. So- I can say with authority, there is not a deal, and will not be a deal this week. If they want to make a deal with the devil and sign the doc, they can start talking next week, but I would call that a long shot.

Things you should know about Jon:
If you do get a date with the dream boy, you should know these things: He is high maintenance. He does things his way. If you don't like it, you can sit, or walk. Jon is not a teacher. He does not like to interact with rookies, or even young guys unless they are absolute stars who can accelerate into pro-bowlers in three years. Even then, he doesn't teach them. He is a brilliant strategist, he is a genius at understanding scheme mismatches, and he surrounds himself with smart assistants (who traditionally are also not teachers). He is brilliant at using a specific type of quarterback to execute a very specific offensive strategy. He has a deep understanding of evaluating quarterback talent in the context of his system, and downside. He is also is a big believer in deep statistical analysis regarding player "value" based on years in the league, talent, and coach-ability. Every player is evaluated like a stock. When their "value" goes below a certain level, they are traded. Many people believe that Jon may be the best pro coach available if he is given the right talent. He has passed on pro job due to the existing QB, and the "stock profile" of the current rosters. Many analysts also believe his talents don't translate to college well. These are not message board football analysts. These are professional talent consultants who guide owners on acquiring coaches and players. None of my friends who know Jon personally think that he would be good in college either. Neither does Bob. One final note: Bob hates Saban. Saban hates Bob. They met when Nick was at LSU to discuss representation. They didn't hit it off to say the least. Bob wandered too far into joking about players being paid at MSU and LSU, and Nick didn't like it. Google Ralph Cindrich if you want to meet one of Bob's pals who also hates Nick even more. I have no idea whether Saban cheats by the way. I don't think he has to at this point, but that doesn't stop others from pointing. Part of me wonders if Bob would like to see Jon beat Nick. A larger part of me thinks he would not subject Jon to that because he believes Nick would crush him- often and well. Jon is an extension of Bob's ego, and will be until Jon falls. Bob is in no rush to see that happen. As for these characters on this site who say they have high up friends who are saying Jon is signed, it is not true. They may believe it, but it is not so. In closing, I can only say, be careful what you wish for as it may come true. if your university hires Jon, you will be making a bet that would wreck the program for a decade if it doesn't work. it could also work, but man that is a big "if". As for today, no one from UT will have access to Jon until they clear Bob. That has not happened as of yesterday at 6pm EST".
 
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Good morning and happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow Grudenites! Gruden X on the horizon... the thread thread thread that Sir Grude-alot will be announced as the next coach of the University of Tennessee. This will begin a new chapter of Tennessee football that will see the Volunteers rise back to the pinnacle of college football world!
 
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1world1love said:
That may be, but Strong is the only one of those names that is even remotely possible.

It reeks of "going through the motions".

I wonder why they are bothering.
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There is a name I have heard a lot of also....


Of course what little info I get typically doesn't jive with everyone else's.........:hi:
 
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Have a Great Day Grudes...instead of chatting and getting to watch NFL today...i get to work 12 hours! Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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tim said:
Skeeter I am perplexed with your last post and heres why... If you are hearing we will seek permission to speak with Mora, Strong, and Golden why in the hell would you have zero info on Gruden? And, if this is the case what has Hart been doing all week? Im sure you are asking yourself the same question and thus you popped up in the Gruden threads I just cant understand the canyon of info between you and others. Otherwise, I have much respect for you for your past contributions and honesty and wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
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They are required to interview 3 coaches. The AD is controlling who they can control with the Gruden news. At this point -and I'm sure he hopes I'm right--that includes Skeeter.
 
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tim said:
Skeeter I am perplexed with your last post and heres why... If you are hearing we will seek permission to speak with Mora, Strong, and Golden why in the hell would you have zero info on Gruden? And, if this is the case what has Hart been doing all week? Im sure you are asking yourself the same question and thus you popped up in the Gruden threads I just cant understand the canyon of info between you and others. Otherwise, I have much respect for you for your past contributions and honesty and wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
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He said yesterday he had heard things, but not from the right people.

I was all in on this before Erin Andrews got brought up. I just don't see how anyone could believe she has inside knowledge of this situation. She is a sideline reporter, and has never broke anything. If she worked for ESPN, then yeah maybe she got wind of it. But she doesn't. She is at FOX now. Also, Ainge in an interview yesterday said no one really knows anything. That leads me to believe he is hoping and not "knowing".
 
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VFL44 said:
My god, do you ever shut up? This has been going on for a few days now.
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I certainly will drop it when it stops being posted that Ainge is a puppet. It's clearly not true. His knowledge in this isn't more than your or mine and we neither have sources.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Dont be so sure about that. He has supposedly expressed interest in UT. May just be to get a raise but UT is a much better job and UCLA couldn't compete if we got into a bidding war.
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Kiffin 2.0

The first second the UW job came open, he would be gone.

Also, I really doubt his ability to recruit in the SEC.
 
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BruinVol said:
Your are spot on. Anybody claiming Ainge was a smokescreen last week must also justify why he has been turned loose this week to report freely when everyone in the AD is keeping things sealed tight. There is no explaination for it because it wasn't true that Ainge was ever a puppet for anybody and this week proves it.
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Can't believe I am going to engage in this but let me take a crack at it.

Anige is a low level media talking head that can keep listeners whipped up. If it comes from him he is just yapping and talking. If it comes from people in the AD it is "official" info in the eyes of many. Maybe ole Hart is crazy like a fox and knows how to use the media to bring the buzz up so when it happens people are so excited they can't see straight. Either way it does not matter as people I know and trust have told me it is going down. I never say anything is done until it is done but I feel pretty damn good about this. Now lets move on to something else.
 
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cutnitclose said:
So now the AD/boosters have giving him permission to talk about it?

Don't flame me... I am just asking the question..:hi:
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Said this a few times already and It's pretty simple actually. But I'll try again...whether the AD told him to hush or not, he knew Gruden didn't want to be publicly attached to the job while Dooley was still the HC. He didn't want to say anything to jeopardise getting Gruden so he changed his tune for the time being. Notice Ainge went back to talking Gruden after Dooley was fired. It's really not that hard to fathom.
 
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VFL44 said:
It would be extremely stupid for Cheek to give the 18 million to the AD to get someone like Golden or Strong.
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Golden I agree but strong will take 4 mil or more to get. You have to keep in mind that hart has been very displeased with our money in reserves and that is involved in this as well
 
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