Official Jon Gruden Thread VI

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Has any coach in history been fired two years after winning national title? Not counting scandal or NCAA problems but just because of wins and losses?
 
#834
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Hubbs is exactly right. The agenda item isn't a big deal. This item tomorrow isn't about moving the entire AD under the foundation, it's reworking the agreement to change the reporting structure of some development work or so to be under the foundation. I've been told that it only deals with one individual position.

If the university was considering moving the AD under the UTFI (University of Tennessee Foundation, Inc.), which is a separate organization, it would be front page news. This does not have anything to do with who Hart reports to. What it does do, however, is take a first step in dealing with some of the financial issues (certain development) and taking them out from under Cheek, because the UTFI is a separate organization with it's own Board, of which Dipietro is more affiliated and not Cheek.

What tomorrow means, who knows, so anyone expecting tomorrow meaning much is going to be very disappointed. No telling what is in the works with this organizational stuff down the road.

The problem right now is that disappointment and anger have become so commonplace that it's now turning into apathy, which the worst possible thing for the AD and university, especially considering the financial issues both have. There have been deep rooted problems in the university for years that started flowing to the AD when it was moved under the Chancellor several years back. Plus the AD has its own financial problems with losing and the economy. Now apathy is setting in.

The problems with UTK have been overlooked for way too long, but the right folks, I believe, are starting to notice, even if it is because of football. The program needs a united front. Everyone knows Dooley isn't that guy, which is why I believe the insiders that say he's done. The most important thing to do is hire someone that will unite the base as much as possible as well as someone that has the respect of everyone on the inside. IMO, that list begins and ends with Jon Gruden (unless of course Nick Saban wants to make himself available).

Like I've said before, I have no inside info in the AD or with boosters so anything I say is speculation at best. The process has to play out, but if Gruden is interested in being the football coach at UT and the money is there, I have a hard time believing that all of the other issues won't be resolved. If Gruden doesn't work out, then I personally believe they need to look at a Tennessee guy, because at that point, even though the fans wouldn't be totally on board with say David Cutcliffe, at least he'd have everyone's ear and respect, particularly the people that matter. That would at least give the program a chance to work out it's issues while also putting a good product on the field and providing some stability. Strong and others may be better coaches, but they wouldn't hold any more weight than Dooley at the end of the day with the people on the inside of the program.
 
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Escape Goat said:
How is the mood in this thread today?
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LWS dropped a nuke on TOS saying that the boosters are ready for the splash. Said he never thought that this was going to happen, SBV still saying that Gruden is the only name on the list, "...Today, i didn't have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day."
 
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#836
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Seriously though, I am so glad to be rid of Kiffin. Dooley is bad, but the continuing embarrassments by Kiffin are just too much to endure. I mean, look at the last month at USC. First, it was switching jerseys on his players at halftime. And now, they are deflating footballs to make them easier to throw and catch for their offense. The list just continues to grow with that guy.
 
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Wilson27 said:
Has any coach in history been fired two years after winning national title? Not counting scandal or NCAA problems but just because of wins and losses?
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Not sure, but I wouldn't count out NCAA problems at the Barn just yet. Stuff always seems to hit the fan in situations like these, when so much smoke was there before.
 
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bjsvols1 said:
Hubbs is exactly right. The agenda item isn't a big deal. This item tomorrow isn't about moving the entire AD under the foundation, it's reworking the agreement to change the reporting structure of some development work or so to be under the foundation. I've been told that it only deals with one individual position.

If the university was considering moving the AD under the UTFI (University of Tennessee Foundation, Inc.), which is a separate organization, it would be front page news. This does not have anything to do with who Hart reports to. What it does do, however, is take a first step in dealing with some of the financial issues (certain development) and taking them out from under Cheek, because the UTFI is a separate organization with it's own Board, of which Dipietro is more affiliated and not Cheek.

What tomorrow means, who knows, so anyone expecting tomorrow meaning much is going to be very disappointed. No telling what is in the works with this organizational stuff down the road.

The problem right now is that disappointment and anger have become so commonplace that it's now turning into apathy, which the worst possible thing for the AD and university, especially considering the financial issues both have. There have been deep rooted problems in the university for years that started flowing to the AD when it was moved under the Chancellor several years back. Plus the AD has its own financial problems with losing and the economy. Now apathy is setting in.

The problems with UTK have been overlooked for way too long, but the right folks, I believe, are starting to notice, even if it is because of football. The program needs a united front. Everyone knows Dooley isn't that guy, which is why I believe the insiders that say he's done. The most important thing to do is hire someone that will unite the base as much as possible as well as someone that has the respect of everyone on the inside. IMO, that list begins and ends with Jon Gruden (unless of course Nick Saban wants to make himself available).

Like I've said before, I have no inside info in the AD or with boosters so anything I say is speculation at best. The process has to play out, but if Gruden is interested in being the football coach at UT and the money is there, I have a hard time believing that all of the other issues won't be resolved. If Gruden doesn't work out, then I personally believe they need to look at a Tennessee guy, because at that point, even though the fans wouldn't be totally on board with say David Cutcliffe, at least he'd have everyone's ear and respect, particularly the people that matter. That would at least give the program a chance to work out it's issues while also putting a good product on the field and providing some stability. Strong and others may be better coaches, but they wouldn't hold any more weight than Dooley at the end of the day with the people on the inside of the program.
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Okay, now I'm depressed again.
 
#847
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bjsvols1 said:
Hubbs is exactly right. The agenda item isn't a big deal. This item tomorrow isn't about moving the entire AD under the foundation, it's reworking the agreement to change the reporting structure of some development work or so to be under the foundation. I've been told that it only deals with one individual position.

If the university was considering moving the AD under the UTFI (University of Tennessee Foundation, Inc.), which is a separate organization, it would be front page news. This does not have anything to do with who Hart reports to. What it does do, however, is take a first step in dealing with some of the financial issues (certain development) and taking them out from under Cheek, because the UTFI is a separate organization with it's own Board, of which Dipietro is more affiliated and not Cheek.

What tomorrow means, who knows, so anyone expecting tomorrow meaning much is going to be very disappointed. No telling what is in the works with this organizational stuff down the road.

The problem right now is that disappointment and anger have become so commonplace that it's now turning into apathy, which the worst possible thing for the AD and university, especially considering the financial issues both have. There have been deep rooted problems in the university for years that started flowing to the AD when it was moved under the Chancellor several years back. Plus the AD has its own financial problems with losing and the economy. Now apathy is setting in.

The problems with UTK have been overlooked for way too long, but the right folks, I believe, are starting to notice, even if it is because of football. The program needs a united front. Everyone knows Dooley isn't that guy, which is why I believe the insiders that say he's done. The most important thing to do is hire someone that will unite the base as much as possible as well as someone that has the respect of everyone on the inside. IMO, that list begins and ends with Jon Gruden (unless of course Nick Saban wants to make himself available).

Like I've said before, I have no inside info in the AD or with boosters so anything I say is speculation at best. The process has to play out, but if Gruden is interested in being the football coach at UT and the money is there, I have a hard time believing that all of the other issues won't be resolved. If Gruden doesn't work out, then I personally believe they need to look at a Tennessee guy, because at that point, even though the fans wouldn't be totally on board with say David Cutcliffe, at least he'd have everyone's ear and respect, particularly the people that matter. That would at least give the program a chance to work out it's issues while also putting a good product on the field and providing some stability. Strong and others may be better coaches, but they wouldn't hold any more weight than Dooley at the end of the day with the people on the inside of the program.
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Good post IMO until you got to the point of it being a UT guy. Cutcliffe would divide the fanbase more because he isn't a proven head coach. Strong would carry more weight because he is a proven recruiter and took over a trainwreck at UL and now has them undefeated.
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
LWS dropped a nuke on TOS saying that the boosters are ready for the splash. Said he never thought that this was going to happen, SBV still saying that Gruden is the only name on the list, "...Today, i didn't have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day."
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Yeah I saw that in the cliff notes. That has me very excited.
 
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