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ukvols said:
It's obviously fake. It has him flying to Dallas on 12/3. Gundy was interviewed in Oklahoma on 12/2. Hart was in NYC on 12/3.
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It's not fake. Maybe not exactly UT's plane or something, but not fake. It's a website that tracks flights and someone knows a tail number. We don't know that any of these people have been interviewed, really. All the reports of people being interviewed have come from Knox Media. I think this definitely has something to it. A plane that's flown to within 3 miles of Charlie Strong twice, Dallas, and Ohio State within the past 2 days? There has to be something to that.
 
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Liper said:
Stargis said his info from several sources not UTAD was accurate as recently as Thursday night when the article ran. He stated he had personally seen text messages between JG and other parties/potential staff members indicating belief on JG's part that he wanted the job and believed he'd be coming. Additionally his sources were vetted by the newspaper's sports editor and general editor, respectively. The article ran on the front page, not the sports page.

Those inside the AD's office, from what we can tell, were never given the full suite of facts regarding JG and the depth of discussions that were going on. In their minds, from what several have said, they never actually believed he was a legit candidate and couldn't fathom where all the fuss was coming from. Hence the ease at which they have brushed off the whole thing or rationalized it away despite facts on the public record to the contrary.

To date there has been no public disputing of the facts as presented in the TFP article. Which are: 1) TN and JG were deep into negotiations; 2) JG had already been gathering a staff to prepare to be the next HC, which was also reported by Hyams, Hubbs, Rucker, and La Canfora; 3) Mere logic and reporting to support it indicate said negotiations had been going on for weeks at a minimum given the degree of preparations it would take to arrive at such a point; and 4) the sources requested the article be printed, indicating at several sides to the negotiations wanted the public to know what was taking place, ostensibly to apply pressure to make the deal happen when perhaps some involved didn't share that opinion -- and we know some of those were on the staff JG had planned to bring with him.

For the life of me, I cannot make any of that square with the narrative coming out of UTAD. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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Really scary stuff. If Hart's instincts are that bad that he never thought Gruden was a serious candidate. Once in our history we didn't recruit a certain QB from Johnson City because we were behind the times and still running the single wing. He went on to change the face of college football and change the power structure of the conference as a coach. Are we again about to be the bridesmaid and not the bride? I can handle losing Gruden because he just didn't want to be here but it sounds like he really did. How many f$ck ups do we have in us?
 
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Liper said:
Stargis said his info from several sources not UTAD was accurate as recently as Thursday night when the article ran. He stated he had personally seen text messages between JG and other parties/potential staff members indicating belief on JG's part that he wanted the job and believed he'd be coming. Additionally his sources were vetted by the newspaper's sports editor and general editor, respectively. The article ran on the front page, not the sports page.

Those inside the AD's office, from what we can tell, were never given the full suite of facts regarding JG and the depth of discussions that were going on. In their minds, from what several have said, they never actually believed he was a legit candidate and couldn't fathom where all the fuss was coming from. Hence the ease at which they have brushed off the whole thing or rationalized it away despite facts on the public record to the contrary.

To date there has been no public disputing of the facts as presented in the TFP article. Which are: 1) TN and JG were deep into negotiations; 2) JG had already been gathering a staff to prepare to be the next HC, which was also reported by Hyams, Hubbs, Rucker, and La Canfora; 3) Mere logic and reporting to support it indicate said negotiations had been going on for weeks at a minimum given the degree of preparations it would take to arrive at such a point; and 4) the sources requested the article be printed, indicating at several sides to the negotiations wanted the public to know what was taking place, ostensibly to apply pressure to make the deal happen when perhaps some involved didn't share that opinion -- and we know some of those were on the staff JG had planned to bring with him.

For the life of me, I cannot make any of that square with the narrative coming out of UTAD. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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There is absolutely no way that the bold is true. No way.
 
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Liper said:
Stargis said his info from several sources not UTAD was accurate as recently as Thursday night when the article ran. He stated he had personally seen text messages between JG and other parties/potential staff members indicating belief on JG's part that he wanted the job and believed he'd be coming. Additionally his sources were vetted by the newspaper's sports editor and general editor, respectively. The article ran on the front page, not the sports page.

Those inside the AD's office, from what we can tell, were never given the full suite of facts regarding JG and the depth of discussions that were going on. In their minds, from what several have said, they never actually believed he was a legit candidate and couldn't fathom where all the fuss was coming from. Hence the ease at which they have brushed off the whole thing or rationalized it away despite facts on the public record to the contrary.

To date there has been no public disputing of the facts as presented in the TFP article. Which are: 1) TN and JG were deep into negotiations; 2) JG had already been gathering a staff to prepare to be the next HC, which was also reported by Hyams, Hubbs, Rucker, and La Canfora; 3) Mere logic and reporting to support it indicate said negotiations had been going on for weeks at a minimum given the degree of preparations it would take to arrive at such a point; and 4) the sources requested the article be printed, indicating at several sides to the negotiations wanted the public to know what was taking place, ostensibly to apply pressure to make the deal happen when perhaps some involved didn't share that opinion -- and we know some of those were on the staff JG had planned to bring with him.

For the life of me, I cannot make any of that square with the narrative coming out of UTAD. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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Thank you for sharing your always valuable insight Liper. :hi:
It is appreciated by folks like me who are simply trying to make sense of how we went from on the verge of hiring Gruden to the cusp of making a move for Strong.
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patrick said:
Another issue I'm having after a great deal of thought concerns the contractual complexities surrounding Gruden's ESPN deal and payment structure as well as his buy-out with Tampa Bay and the ramifications of accepting another head coaching position. Those issues simply do not go away that easily!
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The buyout from Tampa Bay has long since been resolved. Other posters have confirmed that his last payment from the Glazers was in late 2011. On this, Gruden is in the clear.
ESPN might indeed be another matter.
 
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Liper said:
Stargis said his info from several sources not UTAD was accurate as recently as Thursday night when the article ran. He stated he had personally seen text messages between JG and other parties/potential staff members indicating belief on JG's part that he wanted the job and believed he'd be coming. Additionally his sources were vetted by the newspaper's sports editor and general editor, respectively. The article ran on the front page, not the sports page.

Those inside the AD's office, from what we can tell, were never given the full suite of facts regarding JG and the depth of discussions that were going on. In their minds, from what several have said, they never actually believed he was a legit candidate and couldn't fathom where all the fuss was coming from. Hence the ease at which they have brushed off the whole thing or rationalized it away despite facts on the public record to the contrary.

To date there has been no public disputing of the facts as presented in the TFP article. Which are: 1) TN and JG were deep into negotiations; 2) JG had already been gathering a staff to prepare to be the next HC, which was also reported by Hyams, Hubbs, Rucker, and La Canfora; 3) Mere logic and reporting to support it indicate said negotiations had been going on for weeks at a minimum given the degree of preparations it would take to arrive at such a point; and 4) the sources requested the article be printed, indicating at several sides to the negotiations wanted the public to know what was taking place, ostensibly to apply pressure to make the deal happen when perhaps some involved didn't share that opinion -- and we know some of those were on the staff JG had planned to bring with him.

For the life of me, I cannot make any of that square with the narrative coming out of UTAD. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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The question to ask, then, is...who wanted this to leak?

Gruden's camp? Obviously this had gone on for a bit, and he seemed bothered by the accusation on the Mike and Mike interview, mixed with his agent's (not reliable, I know) tirade the next day.

Would it have been a potential hire under Gruden? Surely, they wouldn't compromise a deal that close to fruition by blabbering away the details - that would not only likely harm the deal but kill any goodwill between them and Gruden from that point on...

Boosters? For him to be in play, real play, several would have to be behind it - the money wouldn't even be a possibility otherwise. Do we buy into the theory that there's a conflict between Hart and the lifeblood between this organization, even though that should go against every logical theory in allowing him in the position he's in in the first place.

How/why would that have leaked, with those hangups, with everyone in Knoxville, that speaks, playing dumb? These are the answers we'd all love to know.
 
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BruinVol said:
The Tennessee making this hire is under different leadership.
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Different doesn't mean better. If Kiffin didn't bolt and Pearl didn't cheat we would be loving Mike Hamilton. Hart cannot screw up the hiring of the HFC. He needs a statement hire that that will send the message we intend to compete especially with our biggest rival having the modern day Bear Bryant under contract.
 
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volforlife98 said:
It's not fake. Maybe not exactly UT's plane or something, but not fake. It's a website that tracks flights and someone knows a tail number. We don't know that any of these people have been interviewed, really. All the reports of people being interviewed have come from Knox Media. I think this definitely has something to it. A plane that's flown to within 3 miles of Charlie Strong twice, Dallas, and Ohio State within the past 2 days? There has to be something to that.
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So, this Flight Tracker site is more reliable than media reports that Gundy interviewed with Tennessee on Sunday, and Hart went to New York on Monday? ok
 
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ORNGFACTOR said:
Can you provide that article where Strong said this?
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I remember him saying it when he was not getting offers to be a head coach while he was an assistant. I don't think he said it was because he was black but more that he had a white wife.
 
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2for2VOL said:
I'd just really be shocked if he left OSU. That's his dream job. Idk how I'd feel if he only came for the money. There's only so much passion money can birth.
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Money is the motivator. Do you think Saban grew up loving LSU and Alabama? Any coach we hire will love UT.
 
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money can't buy true unconditional love. it might buy a coach for ut but it wont buy unconditional love for the program like gruden or fulmer or majors or neyland had for the school and program. that is one of our biggest problems with this coaching hire if we don't get gruden.
 
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So Grudens camp says no and Tn just walks away kicking cans and lets it go ? They dont try to keep talking to him ? The big boosters just says well Gruden says no , now lets go get Strong ,Mora,Fedora ?
UT didnt free up 18 mil for a Strong or Mora. I still think UT and Gruden are talking.There is no way Tn can afford to hire Strong,Mora or any other coach like they just fired.It will be suicide if they do.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
There is absolutely no way that the bold is true. No way.
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If it is true , someones butt needs to be fired on the spot. IMO it shows me what he really thinks of UT by the coach he hires. If he gets another up n comer cause he just couldn't understand what all the fuss is about when it comes to JG the Boss's need to intervene and send someone on there way.. its time to quit playing around and get serious about football again.
 
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Someone give me an update. Seeing ALOT of talk about gundy and strong....is there any chance with Gruden still and if so how recent are the "sources" saying so?

All signs seems to be pointing elsewhere but I'm holding out hope so someone give me some good news
 
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dcibrando said:
Someone give me an update. Seeing ALOT of talk about gundy and strong....is there any chance with Gruden still and if so how recent are the "sources" saying so?

All signs seems to be pointing elsewhere but I'm holding out hope so someone give me some good news
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We're all holding out that no news is good news.
 
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