Official Republican Presidential Debate August 23, 2023

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DC_Vol said:
We’ll have to see what the data says, but I hardly think her first takeaway is accurate. I expect Swamy to pick up some share coming out of the debate last night.

Agree with her opinion on DeSantis and Haley.

I can’t see Christie moving his position much if any at all.
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My criticism of Vivek has been since the beginning that he is charismatic and is good at articulating slogans but that the policy substance behind all of that is, at best, very weak and poorly thought through. Last night I think was a good example of that as he would loudly announce some platitude, get called out for the specifics, and then just grin and look a bit lost on what to do next.

A good example of that, and lost in a lot of the discussion, were the remarks concerning a federal ban on abortion. Haley I thought shined on that by pointing out that the issue is pointlessly academic since there is no way the Senate in the next term will have the 60 votes needed to pass it, anyway. That was a practical answer to a difficult issue and made her look practical and smart whereas the others were absolutist or couldn't give a consistent answer.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My criticism of Vivek has been since the beginning that he is charismatic and is good at articulating slogans but that the policy substance behind all of that is, at best, very weak and poorly thought through. Last night I think was a good example of that as he would loudly announce some platitude, get called out for the specifics, and then just grin and look a bit lost on what to do next.

A good example of that, and lost in a lot of the discussion, were the remarks concerning a federal ban on abortion. Haley I thought shined on that by pointing out that the issue is pointlessly academic since there is no way the Senate in the next term will have the 60 votes needed to pass it, anyway. That was a practical answer to a difficult issue and made her look practical and smart whereas the others were absolutist or couldn't give a consistent answer.
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Debates aren’t really about issues though. If they were we’d have different candidates every four years.
 
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Couldn’t find the recording on YouTube this morning. Can anyone help me with where to watch?
 
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Vivek Ramaswamy Ripped One Of His Debate One-Liners Straight From Barack Obama

Ramaswamy described himself with the same words Obama did in 2004

Vivek Ramaswamy stole one of his opening lines at Wednesday night's GOP primary debate straight from former President Barack Obama.

Ramaswamy introduced himself as a "skinny guy with a funny last name" after receiving his first question from moderator Bret Baier in Milwaukee on Wednesday. The phrase echoed Obama's own choice of words when he introduced himself to the country while delivering the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.

Vivek Ramaswamy ripped one of his debate one-liners straight from Barack Obama
 
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lawgator1 said:
My criticism of Vivek has been since the beginning that he is charismatic and is good at articulating slogans but that the policy substance behind all of that is, at best, very weak and poorly thought through. Last night I think was a good example of that as he would loudly announce some platitude, get called out for the specifics, and then just grin and look a bit lost on what to do next.

A good example of that, and lost in a lot of the discussion, were the remarks concerning a federal ban on abortion. Haley I thought shined on that by pointing out that the issue is pointlessly academic since there is no way the Senate in the next term will have the 60 votes needed to pass it, anyway. That was a practical answer to a difficult issue and made her look practical and smart whereas the others were absolutist or couldn't give a consistent answer.
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you just don't like Indian people do you.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Let me ask you this: wouldn't you rather have a candidate other than Joe Biden?

Reality means you work with what you have, not with what you want to have. You saw 7 out of 8 people who want the nomination would agree to support Trump if he wins the nomination.

I think Biden should show you that there's nothing "pathetic" about supporting a sub-standard candidate if that's what your party chooses.

It's pathetic that after almost 250 years America can't field better candidates for President than Biden and Trump.
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There is a difference in what would be better for America against Trump and Biden, vs what people will actually vote for.

I would bet 50% of these candidates, at least, would be better for America, and do a better job than Trump or Biden. Their biggest problem is electability because the Two-party system has the population trained to believe that's the number qualifier for a candidate. People aren't willing to stand out on their own and instead bandwagon for whatever candidate their party gives them. No one is willing to actually stand up for their beliefs, which yes means you take some lumps. The problem is the American voters are the biggest cowards after 250 years of conditioning to follow their leaders.

it will only get worse until the people are willing to break away from their party and ONLY support/vote for those they actually believe in.

we will always get a Trump vs a Biden when people are willing to fall in line. Take your lumps for a few terms, vote only for your guy, even if you lose the election, that will eventually get rid of all the bad candidates, and then you MAY actually see change. Right now its a case of insanity, of doing the exact same thing and expecting different results. Its Stockholm Syndrome to think you HAVE to vote for your party or else the bad guys may win. eff it, stick to your guns, as long as you are willing to follow the party there will never be a course correction, there is no need for the party to change positively because 99% of voters will just do what they are told.
 
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turbovol said:
A better option than a pathologically corrupt, lying gangster who's already been convicted of sexual assault, who has a long history
of abusing people and is facing numerous indictments in four different cases? Herein is the problem with conservatives and the GOP. America's
trailer-park crowd has jumped the shark.
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link to his conviction? I know he lost a civil suit, but I don't remember him being convicted of anything like that. If I am not mistaken, if he had, he would already be ineligible for election because I am pretty sure thats a felony.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What’s the appeal? From my perspective his entire goal was to attack every, disingenuously, and to appease Trump
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Initial attraction was hearing some of his interviews. I searched his website and found some position statements. I posted my thoughts in one of the threads.

Don't agree with everything, but I like him more than any of the others.
 
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Vivek essentially called Trump a sore loser and criticized him over the election denial in his book, but in his public appearances he seems to just be sucking up to him significantly more than anyone else. This leads me to think that a lot of the Trump rhetoric is a tactical choice. I don't think it's a good tactic.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I'll support any one of the people on stage over Biden
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After seeing how quickly Brandon was able to turn the country to ****, I'll support Trump over Biden just to get a 2-3 year reset. My 401k needs it. I would rather vote for someone other than Trump by a long shot.
 
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LouderVol said:
link to his conviction? I know he lost a civil suit, but I don't remember him being convicted of anything like that. If I am not mistaken, if he had, he would already be ineligible for election because I am pretty sure thats a felony.
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You are dealing with EL's illegitimate daughter here Louder.

P.S. My youngest is enjoying ATL!
 
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volinbham said:
yep - the younger, tech version of Trump
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Honestly I think we could use a few more technocrats right now. And he could easily grow into that position. I do like a lot of his positions but I also see the lack of real world experience. He rightfully gets roasts for criticizing Trump in his book and then sounding like the local fan club chapter president for example. He’s smart enough to see that’s gonna happen.
 
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