Official Tennessee v. Mississippi State game thread / 6:07pm EST / ESPN

#677
#677
SeanJean said:
It has nothing to do with caring. This is the 29th game we've played. We just aren't that good. We can care all we want, but when it comes down to it, we have 1 player who can score consistently and a bunch of other ones who come and go.
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lol. Ask Texas today and Kansas against Texas. If you stop caring in a game and the other team puts in the effort, even the biggest lead can vanish. The problem was that we didn't care all game.
 
#678
#678
crusse10 said:
From top-to-bottom, it appeared nobody cared. We were listless. Hell, even the fans (like usual) didn't care. The difference, however, was that they were actually called out by the announcers. The arena oozoed a sense of complacency, and the outcome supported that.
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Yep called out multiple times.
 
#679
#679
govols120 said:
Just like we were going to lose at Vandy. If you've watched this team at all this season, you should know one thing: never assume anything. We could easily lose at South Carolina and then come back and beat Kentucky. It's just that this team plays hard when they want to play hard.
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We were very fortunate to beat Vandy. We didn't play that well in that game, Hopson just happened to attack and hit free throws at the end and Vandy fell apart.

I of course agree, you never know with this team, but I personally think UK will roll us again. We can't match up with them.
 
#680
#680
I want to tally the games we've lost on last-second layups and tip-ins, because someone was left totally undefended.

2007 at Vandy (tip-in)
2009 at Auburn (layup)
2010 vs Michigan State (FTs, but it was because he wasn't picked up)
2011 at Charlotte (layup)
2011 vs Miss. State (dunk)
 
#681
#681
crusse10 said:
lol. Ask Texas today and Kansas against Texas. If you stop caring in a game and the other team puts in the effort, even the biggest lead can vanish. The problem was that we didn't care all game.
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Comparing us to Kansas and Texas is hilarious. Not to mention we never had a big lead in this game.
 
#683
#683
pl3 said:
You make a plan for a miss or a make. It didn't have anything to do with the outcome. Outhustled and the team played with the energy of the crowd.
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I agree with the 2nd point. But the fact still remains, I would have liked to have an inbound at half court with about 1.8 seconds left.
 
#684
#684
Pretty amazing how one season can change so quickly.

The last time we played MSU, we beat them down on the road and then went to the Elite Eight.

This time, we can't even beat a piss-poor Bulldogs group at home and we aren't going past the first round.
 
#687
#687
SeanJean said:
Comparing us to Kansas and Texas is hilarious. Not to mention we never had a big lead in this game.
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My point










Your head

If even the best teams can lose major leads because they just didn't care, us playing without a sense of urgency can easily lead to a loss
 
#688
#688
crusse10 said:
My point










Your head

If even the best teams can lose major leads because they just didn't care, us playing without a sense of urgency can easily lead to a loss
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And this has to do with Tennessee today how? We aren't one of the best teams, and we didn't have a big lead today. Your point could not be more meaningless.
 
#689
#689
OrangeWilly said:
Great job by Williams...leaving his man for a guy that was falling to the ground. Maybe too many blounts before the game, who knows.
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Good point. Does anybody else think he and Tatum hit the weed consistently?
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#690
#690
SeanJean said:
And this has to do with Tennessee today how? We aren't one of the best teams, and we didn't have a big lead today. Your point could not be more meaningless.
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Listless playing leads to losses, no matter who you are and no matter who you're playing. You said that's not true. I then offered 2 examples of the best teams in the country losing because they didn't play with purpose.
 
#691
#691
OrangeWilly said:
Great job by Williams...leaving his man for a guy that was falling to the ground. Maybe too many blounts before the game, who knows.
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Give me a break. When Williams committed the PG had beaten Goins and wasn't falling yet. For all Williams knew the guy was going to end up with a wide open layup. It's not on him.
 
#692
#692
crusse10 said:
Listless playing leads to losses, no matter who you are and no matter who you're playing. You said that's not true. I then offered 2 examples of the best teams in the country losing because they didn't play with purpose.
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Of course it's true, but you actually have to be a good team for it to matter in the first place.

We didn't lose this game because we were "listless." We lost this game because we just aren't that good (not a good shooting team, not a good free throw shooting team, bad shot selection, bad perimeter defense, etc etc). There is a difference.
 
#693
#693
nbakerld said:
Give me a break. When Williams committed the PG had beaten Goins and wasn't falling yet. For all Williams knew the guy was going to end up with a wide open layup. It's not on him.
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Yes it was. He left his man wide freaking open on the last possession. That is absolutely on him. I have seen him do that so many times this season I have lost count. Not to mention since he was late he fouled him for a potential 3 point play, which he also loves to do.
 
#694
#694
SeanJean said:
Of course it's true, but you actually have to be a good team for it to matter in the first place.

We didn't lose this game because we were "listless." We lost this game because we just aren't that good (not a good shooting team, not a good free throw shooting team, bad shot selection, bad perimeter defense, etc etc). There is a difference.
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That's where you're wrong. Something like 5 trips in a row we took the ball down the court to the 3pt line and took a shot, then didn't rebound. Any points on those trips and we win the game. That's the epitome of listless play.
 
#695
#695
I don't know if it's one player's fault as much as it is, yet again, poor coaching and utterly horrible defense. I'm beyond sick of hearing our defense being extremely overrated by ESPN. It sucks.
 
#697
#697
SeanJean said:
Yes it was. He left his man wide freaking open on the last possession. That is absolutely on him. I have seen him do that so many times this season I have lost count. Not to mention since he was late he fouled him for a potential 3 point play, which he also loves to do.
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Yeah, he left his man wide open because the guy with the ball had nobody between him and the hoop. I don't know if you've ever played hoops before but the #1 rule of defense is stop the ball.
 
#698
#698
Bottom line is we got beat at home by a team that shot 36%. Pretty pathetic. Our shot selection is horrible.
 
#699
#699
nbakerld said:
Yeah, he left his man wide open because the guy with the ball had nobody between him and the hoop. I don't know if you've ever played hoops before but the #1 rule of defense is stop the ball.
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If you consider Dee Bost tripping over himself as he falls around Melvin Goins beating your man, then that's your perogative. The only thing he can do there is pass the ball. BW needs to have some level of IQ to recognize that.
 
#700
#700
crusse10 said:
So what you're saying is that Brian Williams' lack of hustle left his man open. Huh.
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No, his lack of basketball IQ. Not to mention his lack of athletic ability. Just like many of his teammates.

I get your point, but I think you are confusing a lack of effort with just stupid play and poorly coached offense. There is a difference.
 
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