Official VN "Eat Crow" Thread

[VolBeef88]

It is NOT "realistic" to base an opinion on what you "think" will happen in the future. Dooley has now had a shot with a roster that should have been competitive. Ultimately, the results are his even though play of Bray and Hunter (likely the two best players on the team) has hurt.

If he loses another game then an interim should finish the season. Hart should name a replacement in time for them to call every commit and significant target before the December recruiting quiet period. The new HC should be able to have his staff in place by the time recruiting opens back up in January.

Those of us who live in reality didn't just think, we looked at facts from HIS resume and came to an obvious conclusion. Those of you who fell in love with him "thought" he'd do great. You see, you have it exactly backwards.
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[sjt18]

No, stupidity was hiring him in the 1st place.

That does not mean you only look for the bad... ALL THE TIME. From the very start I said there were two ways Dooley could be "successful". One, turn out to be an up and comer that UT hired before his name got big. Two, restore order and rebuild the foundation so a top shelf coach could come in and win. The first hope is all but gone. I think winning out would get Dooley a reprieve. I have very little confidence the Vols will win this Saturday much less win out.

The one caveat to that is I could have a little more hope if they showed courage and had Worley start. He could play poorly and choke under pressure too... but at least it would be a different guy.

Anyone with the sense God gave a blade of grass knew with that short of time we should have named an interim for the year and used that time for a true coaching search. Many of us said so at the time and were blasted for it.
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And that still would have been one of the most abjectly stupid things they could have done. If the roster had not been completely depleted then you could have done that. There's no way an interim finishes the '10 class like Dooley did. Attrition of non-EE's would have almost certainly have been high. A bad '10 class would have set the program back years more than it already was.

All you would have done is set whoever the eventual hire was up for failure. You and others would still be here calling for his head... and the roster would be nowhere near as good as it is.

No one was going to win those first two years. There simply wasn't enough talent, development, and experience on the roster. UT might have been a win or two better. With an interim, you can call it 3 years instead of two.

This was always the year. Dooley served a purpose that someone had to fill regardless of anything else. If he is replaced, the next guy walks into a situation tailor made for success- a deep, experienced OL, a D returning many players with talent and SEC experience, 2 or 3 talented QB's (DD inherited one- a Fr), talented skill players, no discipline issues, no big eligibility issues, no NCAA problems, and a recruit target list that has some of the best players in the country at least considering UT.

 

[VolBeef88]

Was it just a sea of red at the end of the game, partying in our house?

It was bad and they hung around for quite a while. Some of them lit their victory cigars inside Neyland.
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[VolBeef88]

That does not mean you only look for the bad... ALL THE TIME. From the very start I said there were two ways Dooley could be "successful". One, turn out to be an up and comer that UT hired before his name got big. Two, restore order and rebuild the foundation so a top shelf coach could come in and win. The first hope is all but gone. I think winning out would get Dooley a reprieve. I have very little confidence the Vols will win this Saturday much less win out.

The one caveat to that is I could have a little more hope if they showed courage and had Worley start. He could play poorly and choke under pressure too... but at least it would be a different guy.



And that still would have been one of the most abjectly stupid things they could have done. If the roster had not been completely depleted then you could have done that. There's no way an interim finishes the '10 class like Dooley did. Attrition of non-EE's would have almost certainly have been high. A bad '10 class would have set the program back years more than it already was.

All you would have done is set whoever the eventual hire was up for failure. You and others would still be here calling for his head... and the roster would be nowhere near as good as it is.

No one was going to win those first two years. There simply wasn't enough talent, development, and experience on the roster. UT might have been a win or two better. With an interim, you can call it 3 years instead of two.

This was always the year. Dooley served a purpose that someone had to fill regardless of anything else. If he is replaced, the next guy walks into a situation tailor made for success- a deep, experienced OL, a D returning many players with talent and SEC experience, 2 or 3 talented QB's (DD inherited one- a Fr), talented skill players, no discipline issues, no big eligibility issues, no NCAA problems, and a recruit target list that has some of the best players in the country at least considering UT.

Total garbage. We would have signed a class. Maybe lost some but Bray had already signed as several others. And one recruiting class around 30th ranked in the nation wouldn't have even been close to being as bad as having an inept coach that led us to getting our teeth kicked in for 3 seasons, do an almost complete asst coaching rebuild etc. Given a full year to coach search like OSU did was the only smart thing to do.
But I don't expect you and your ilk to understand that.
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[sjt18]

Those of us who live in reality didn't just think, we looked at facts from HIS resume and came to an obvious conclusion. Those of you who fell in love with him "thought" he'd do great. You see, you have it exactly backwards.
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No. You refused to look at the context of that record. LT was a dumpster fire when Dooley arrived. He improved that program.

His resume included high regard from Saban, Muschamp, and others who recommended him.

Please search as many of my posts as you like and find any declaration of love or even a prediction that he would succeed. I have never done either. All I ever said is consider the good and the bad then be patient enough to give him at least one year with a competitive roster. His one year like that at LT gave them their first bowl victory in years.

In fact, when everyone else was honeymooning during the spring of '10 and very few were publicly criticizing the hire... I said his prospects for being the coach after year 3 were less than 50% no matter how good he was as a coach. Others argued that Vol fans would give him time. I knew they wouldn't. I knew he had to do something THIS YEAR to prove he belonged.

I DID think the standard was going to be higher (like winning the East)...

 

[VolBeef88]

No. You refused to look at the context of that record. LT was a dumpster fire when Dooley arrived. He improved that program.

His resume included high regard from Saban, Muschamp, and others who recommended him.

Please search as many of my posts as you like and find any declaration of love or even a prediction that he would succeed. I have never done either. All I ever said is consider the good and the bad then be patient enough to give him at least one year with a competitive roster. His one year like that at LT gave them their first bowl victory in years.

In fact, when everyone else was honeymooning during the spring of '10 and very few were publicly criticizing the hire... I said his prospects for being the coach after year 3 were less than 50% no matter how good he was as a coach. Others argued that Vol fans would give him time. I knew they wouldn't. I knew he had to do something THIS YEAR to prove he belonged.

I DID think the standard was going to be higher (like winning the East)...

Few coaches go to a new job that isn't a bad situation. Afterall there's a reason the former coach got canned.

And as far as "high" regard goes, what did you expect? And if Saban had such high regard why didn't he move him into a defensive or offensive coordinator position? EVER?
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[sjt18]

Total garbage. We would have signed a class.

"A class" would have STILL put the program even further behind. You and others would have been handwringing over a signing class that would have most likely been outside the top 25. An interim might not have been able to fill every slot.

Most recruits want to know who their coach is going to be under the best of circumstances. When you ask them to move 600+ miles then it is even more important.

Maybe lost some but Bray had already signed as several others. And one recruiting class around 30th ranked in the nation wouldn't have even been close to being as bad as having an inept coach that led us to getting our teeth kicked in for 3 seasons, do an almost complete asst coaching rebuild etc. Given a full year to coach search like OSU did was the only smart thing to do.

Feel free to continue to operate under the delusion that the program wouldn't have been set back without Hunter, Stone, Neal, Rivera, etc... I guess that's what you call "realistic".

But I don't expect you and your ilk to understand that.
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I understand completely. You think it would have been better by now if UT had followed up 3 consecutive busted recruiting classes with whatever an interim could have cobbled together in '10.

There is a difference between not understanding and realizing that you've ignored the significant downsides to your idea. You HAVE ignored the starting roster quality AND what an interim would have done to harm that situation. Simply put- you are wrong.

The UT job which already could not attract the top shelf coaches due to the roster, discipline issues, time til NSD, potential NCAA issues, etc was NOT going to become more attractive with a bad '10 recruiting class. IOW's, whatever "big name" you think was out there just waiting for a call would have had even more reason not to pick up the phone if the roster had taken another step backwards.

Hiring Dooley was a choice that has not worked out. Without doubt, there was another coach at his level of demand that would have been "the answer". Whoever UT hired at that point was going to be a risk.

 

[Larkin]

Enjoy Volcula...hope it doesn't taste as bad as your bashing of the other Volnation posters who knew Dooley was in over his head.

 

[sjt18]

Few coaches go to a new job that isn't a bad situation. Afterall there's a reason the former coach got canned.

Name another that had a "bad" situation created by 3 consecutive busted recruiting classes plus impending NCAA issues.

And as far as "high" regard goes, what did you expect? And if Saban had such high regard why didn't he move him into a defensive or offensive coordinator position? EVER?
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Dooley could have gone to Bama with Saban. I don't know what job he would have been offered but he was regarded highly enough to get a HC/AD gig... so I suspect Saban had something bigger than TE's coach in mind. We'll never know since that's not the path he chose.

 

[VolBeef88]

Name another that had a "bad" situation created by 3 consecutive busted recruiting classes plus impending NCAA issues.



Dooley could have gone to Bama with Saban. I don't know what job he would have been offered but he was regarded highly enough to get a HC/AD gig... so I suspect Saban had something bigger than TE's coach in mind. We'll never know since that's not the path he chose.

Nice try, but where in my post did I say losing them wouldn't hurt? And how do you know we'd have lost them all? And losing a handfull of good players isn't as bad as getting drilled 3 straight year and losing to KY.
Saban had YEARS to promote him and didn't. Also schools like La Tech have to take chances on unproven coaches. Schools like UT don't. Hamilton did and you see where we are now. Your love and devotion for him is funny. He's on his way out so you better get all the DD love you can. Maybe you can be one of the dolts to call Vol Calls and say "Thanks coach for coming to UT and I stand behind you and I'm a VFL and think you're doing a great job". You only have a few more weeks to do that so you may wanna record your call in so you can sit around and cry in your beer as you listen over and over. Haha
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[VolBeef88]

Enjoy Volcula...hope it doesn't taste as bad as your bashing of the other Volnation posters who knew Dooley was in over his head.

Exactly Larkin
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[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Its 50/50 either way

I chose wrong

Beef hounding on someone for backing a coach is laughable

He hung on Fulmers jock to the bitter end. He has no room to speak

He did as much "attacking" as anyone.

But it is what it is

I was wrong and this time he was right

Not to be that guy, but if you're gonna start a thread with the arrogance that was displayed in the op, then you should expect to get called on it.
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[CountVolcula]

Not to be that guy, but if you're gonna start a thread with the arrogance that was displayed in the op, then you should expect to get called on it.
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You are right

Some just take the internet too serious to

Beef is just as guilty, as some of the rest, for bashing those that stuck behind Dooley, even if it was too long

Intentions were misguided but well intended

But see, I ain't mad

 

[CountVolcula]

Enjoy Volcula...hope it doesn't taste as bad as your bashing of the other Volnation posters who knew Dooley was in over his head.

I took the feathers off

By the way, most of us that defended Dooley were bashed just as much. We are both just as guilty

Hence the terms that have arisen to describe both sides of the fence

 

[VolBeef88]

You are right

Some just take the internet too serious to

Beef is just as guilty, as some of the rest, for bashing those that stuck behind Dooley, even if it was too long

Intentions were misguided but well intended

But see, I ain't mad

Whatever. Nice try
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[Larkin]

I will be happy when the majority of conversations surrounding Tennessee football will actually be about football.

Similar to the NFL this year with replacement refs, this major distraction is sucking the fun out of my beloved Vols.

 

[VolBeef88]

I will be happy when the majority of conversations surrounding Tennessee football will actually be about football.

Similar to the NFL this year with replacement refs, this major distraction is sucking the fun out of my beloved Vols.

It won't be long now. Seattle was just given a TD to rob Greenbay of a victory.
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[The Ron Mexico]

errybidy in dis thred so mad cept me. Iaintevenmad.

 

[FlintstoneGAVol]

I'm not mad

 

[vols-1]

Total garbage. We would have signed a class. Maybe lost some but Bray had already signed as several others. And one recruiting class around 30th ranked in the nation wouldn't have even been close to being as bad as having an inept coach that led us to getting our teeth kicked in for 3 seasons, do an almost complete asst coaching rebuild etc. Given a full year to coach search like OSU did was the only smart thing to do.
But I don't expect you and your ilk to understand that.
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I bet most recruits had rather play one year for Kippy than 3 years for Fooley.

 

[theFallGuy]

imtotallymad!

 

[Wylo]

Not hardly

It must be cool to fault someone for trying to be positive

Drown in self pity much?

Actually, I just answered the question.

I do not fault anyone for being positive. The pumpers are the ones that say recruiting is affected by what people type on a message board.

Feel free to keep quoting me, I appreciate it from a legend like yourself.

 

[emainvol]

The UT job which already could not attract the top shelf coaches due to the roster, discipline issues, time til NSD, potential NCAA issues, etc was NOT going to become more attractive with a bad '10 recruiting class. IOW's, whatever "big name" you think was out there just waiting for a call would have had even more reason not to pick up the phone if the roster had taken another step backwards.

The UT job couldn't attract a top shelf coach because of two words: Mike Hamilton.

 

[Thrasher865]

My current list of crow eating vol fans and/or trolls. 35 and growing! :moon2:
AstonRoyal
Bassmanbruno
brianlsanders
craighead
Culbreath4Heisman
DarthVisor
fade route
g8terh8ter_eric
GLDunlap
grimvol
JayVols
justingroves
k-town_king
Lexvol
LifeisO&W
Midfielder10
Mr.Fister
orangepridenation
TennTradition
The Ron Mexico
thefrogjumper
Thrasher865
TNGlen
UT IE 95
UT's#1Fan
utvol372
VOL COP
Vol423
VolBeef88
volberry
VOLnMiami
vols-1
VolsSportsFan
vol_in_il
Yankee_Vol

The fact that I'm on this list is a joke. It really makes you guys look delusional, because I don't ever remember being a "negavol" preseason. Maybe realistic, but I thought I was predicting 8 or 9 wins.

 

[Thrasher865]

WTF! I never even posted in this thread until today.