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#577
#577
ThatVolGuy said:
I'd love to see the names of some of these 2 seeds. I'm not baiting you or anything - I'm honestly very curious.
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Well, Mizzou, for starters. A poor head coach and a bunch of guys who are overachieving. They're an experienced team but that train will run out of steam quick.
 
#578
#578
golfballs03 said:
Tennessee will likely be right on the bubble. 50/50 shot IMO
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I agree if we win at least one game. If we lose tomorrow night, it's NIT all the way IMO. If we win one, we'll have to have some things break our way. Win 2 and I like our chances.

I still don't see how anyone has Seton Hall in the tourney. They just got drilled by a horrible Depaul team by almost 30.
 
#579
#579
MemphisCanes said:
Well, Mizzou, for starters. A poor head coach and a bunch of guys who are overachieving. They're an experienced team but that train will run out of steam quick.
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If you want to see what Anderson built, look at Mizzou and what Ark will look like in a few years. Haith will run that program in the ground. You wonder if Anderson would've stayed there if he knew Mizzou would be going to the SEC.
 
#581
#581
MemphisCanes said:
Well, Mizzou, for starters. A poor head coach and a bunch of guys who are overachieving. They're an experienced team but that train will run out of steam quick.
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Well, I remember what happened the last time Missouri played Memphis, so the hard feelings are understandable. Yikes.

Out of curiosity, though, when does "overachieving" just become "the team has won so many games because they're just that good"? I'd venture that if the steam is still coming on strong in the middle of March, it's probably not in danger of vanishing out of thin air.

Guys like Kim English, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey and Ricardo Ratliffe aren't "overachieving" - they're just talented and (mostly) very experienced. But, I'm sure you already knew that.

Edit - It also makes me chuckle to hear Haith get called a poor coach when he was employed by an apathetic basketball school for so long. Missouri is a school that will absolutely dedicate energy and resources to building a strong program. Additionally, he's getting MUCH more from "Anderson's players" than Anderson ever did himself (see last season, specifically), and this has all happened even though their best player (Bowers) went down before the season with an ACL injury.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
If you want to see what Anderson built, look at Mizzou and what Ark will look like in a few years. Haith will run that program in the ground. You wonder if Anderson would've stayed there if he knew Mizzou would be going to the SEC.
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Nah, I think Anderson wanted to "go home" so to speak. Arky, despite being down lately, is a much better program than Mizzou. Playing in Bud Walton is such a huge homecourt advantage. Plus, have you ever actually met a Mizzou basketball fan?

I don't think they exist.
 
#583
#583
MemphisCanes said:
Well, Mizzou, for starters. A poor head coach and a bunch of guys who are overachieving. They're an experienced team but that train will run out of steam quick.
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LOL!

Yet Memphis has impressed you, Im sure you would say the same if the roles were reversed. Nah, you would say the so called "overachieving" was due to Pastners great coaching.
 
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#585
It also occurs to me that you, MemphisCanes, are probably hoping beyond hope that Haith doesn't succeed so it won't reflect poorly on the U.

Given that Mizzou actually cares about basketball I don't see him failing, but it's pretty easy to dissect your interests to see why you dislike Missouri.
 
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#587
ThatVolGuy said:
Well, I remember what happened the last time Missouri played Memphis, so the hard feelings are understandable. Yikes.

Out of curiosity, though, when does "overachieving" just become "the team has won so many games because they're just that good"? I'd venture that if the steam is still coming on strong in the middle of March, it's probably not in danger of vanishing out of thin air.

Guys like Kim English, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey and Ricardo Ratliffe aren't "overachieving" - they're just talented and (mostly) very experienced. But, I'm sure you already knew that.
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Lulz.

79th in defensive efficiency. That's awful for a "2 seed".
 
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#588
CWGvol said:
LOL!

Yet Memphis has impressed you, Im sure you would say the same if the roles were reversed. Nah, you would say the so called "overachieving" was due to Pastners great coaching.
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LOL!

Memphis is nowhere near a two seed.

What on earth does Memphis have to do with this conversation?
 
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#589
ThatVolGuy said:
Edit - It also makes me chuckle to hear Haith get called a poor coach when he was employed by an apathetic basketball school for so long. Missouri is a school that will absolutely dedicate energy and resources to building a strong program. Additionally, he's getting MUCH more from "Anderson's players" than Anderson ever did himself (see last season, specifically), and this has all happened even though their best player (Bowers) went down before the season with an ACL injury.
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Wow, even comparing Anderson and Haith should be a sin.

Maybe you're a Mizzou fan, and if so, enjoy Frank Haith. By all means. Please. I know the rest of the SEC is about to. The guy couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
79th in defensive efficiency. That's awful for a "2 seed".
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The team beat Memphis like a red-headed stepchild the last time the two schools played, and it was in the NCAA tournament when Memphis had all the hype. I especially enjoyed the half-court shot that Mizzou made at half.

The same team hired your other school's head coach and he's done a wonderful job. I'm sure Miami fans lamented his existence, but all it took was a change in environment for him to succeed. Sucks to be you... again.
 
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#592
ThatVolGuy said:
The team beat Memphis like a red-headed stepchild the last time the two schools played, and it was in the NCAA tournament when Memphis had all the hype. I especially enjoyed the half-court shot that Mizzou made at half.

The same team hired your other school's head coach and he's done a wonderful job. I'm sure Miami fans lamented his existence, but all it took was a change in environment for him to succeed. Sucks to be you... again.
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Sir, I'll ask again, what in god's name does Memphis have to do with this discussion?

Miami replaced Frank Haith, a certified mope who had taken the school to one NCAA appearance in like 7 years with Larranaga, who took George Mason (let that sink it, George f'ing Mason) to a Final Four. Miami traded up, no question.

I think you just better hope that the NCAA investigation doesn't come up with any dirt on Frankie.
 
#597
#597
ThatVolGuy said:
I'd love to see the names of some of these 2 seeds. I'm not baiting you or anything - I'm honestly very curious.
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It's a stat-based argument. This is from a site called Bracket Science, and they know their stuff:

38 of 108 two seeds never see the second week of the tourney. How can you spot the paper tigers that fail to make the Sweet 16? Avoid two seeds that:

• Have won fewer than seven of their last ten games
• Have a coach whose never been to the dance leading a team with less than three consecutive tourney trips
• Have a winning percentage better than .880 but a scoring margin lower than 13 points a game
• Have a scoring margin of 5.5 points per game or worse
• Get less than 16 percent of their points from guards
• Get outrebounded or rebounding/turnover margin less than 4.5
• Have a strength of schedule ranked weaker than 80
• Are a Mid-Major fixture—with more than five straight tourney trips.

Some of these black marks are shared by top-seeded victims. In the case of two seeds, only four of 25 teams with any of these attributes (16.0 percent) have reached the Sweet 16. Two seeds that aren’t afflicted with any of these qualities are 79.5 percent proficient (66 for 83) in avoiding a first-week upset.
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Two of these attributes apply to Mizzou (reb/turnover margin is less than 4.5 and their SOS is 81). There's more to it, like the atrocious defense they play, but the odds aren't in their favor. I'm not hating, because I like Mizzou and they've been a blast to watch this year, but I just don't like their NCAA chances. Same with Duke, who has a rebound/TO margin at around 3, the lowest of any of the top 8 teams.
 
#598
#598
MemphisCanes said:
Sir, I'll ask again, what in god's name does Memphis have to do with this discussion?
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Just coming at your irrational Missouri disdain from all angles, my fair gentleman.

Miami replaced Frank Haith, a certified mope who had taken the school to one NCAA appearance in like 7 years with Larranaga, who took George Mason (let that sink it, George f'ing Mason) to a Final Four. Miami traded up, no question.
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Yes, but Miami is still Miami. As Kim English put it so succinctly, "Basketball is to Miami what football is to Kansas."

I think you just better hope that the NCAA investigation doesn't come up with any dirt on Frankie.
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I'm pretty sure he was mentioned in the report somehow, and much like the football program, I don't really think much will come of it. I'm less than scared.
 
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#600
If this USM team that quit playing three weeks ago makes the tournament because of their ridiculously inaccurate RPI, I'm going to rage.
 
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