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#1,501
#1,501
bleedingTNorange said:
8-10 since January...

See that's what I'm talking about a these final teams have flaws.

The question becomes what will the committee weigh?


Tennessee last 2 months dwarf seton hall, but then again aspects of seton halls resume dwarf tennessees.
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The bottom line is that all of these teams are below average. Everyone on here will argue about who should get in, but this is the weakest bubble with an expanded field. None of the left out teams should have any complaints about not making it. It's just going to come down to the criteria used by the committee because all of these teams contrast in different areas.
 
#1,503
#1,503
TennesseeFan07 said:
I'm not disagreeing at all. The negative for Marshall is that they haven't had as many opportunities to prove how good they are because of a lesser schedule. Also, Miami has had a lot of ESPN games this season. How many has Marshall had? I'm not saying it's right, but that's part of it.
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Sounds like we're on the same page. It definitely plays into the BCS teams favor. Miami had 12 chances against the top100 and only got 2 wins. That's terrible no matter how you cut it.

Can't disagree that Marshall had their chances but they still managed 6 top100 wins.

Didn't say they were a lock but compared to other bubble teams, their numbers are the same or better
 
#1,506
#1,506
TennesseeFan07 said:
I can't make a case for Northwestern at all. That said, compare resumes of both Seton Hall and Northwestern. Both teams started out strong, picked up some quality wins, but have somehow managed to choke bad enough to even be in consideration for missing. It's a little hypocritical of me to diminish Northwestern for having a losing conference record and still somehow find a way to include Seton Hall into the field.
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Seton Hall

20-12(9-11)
RPI: 66
Kenpom: 49
BPI: 51

Vs top 1-25: 1-4
Vs top 26- 50: 2-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-2

Total vs top 100: 7-10
Since January: 8-10

SOS: 50



Northwestern:

18-13(8-11)
RPI: 61
Kenpom: 55
BPI: 51

Vs top 1-25: 1-8
Vs top 26-50: 0-2
Vs top 51-100: 4-3

Vs top 100: 5-13
Last 10: 8-10
SOS: 18
 
#1,507
#1,507
MSUDuo said:
Sounds like we're on the same page. It definitely plays into the BCS teams favor. Miami had 12 chances against the top100 and only got 2 wins. That's terrible no matter how you cut it.

Can't disagree that Marshall had their chances but they still managed 6 top100 wins.

Didn't say they were a lock but compared to other bubble teams, their numbers are the same or better
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Didn't Marshall defeat Cincinnati? Was that before or after Cincinnati's suspensions? That game looks a little better than it did back at the beginning of the season.
 
#1,509
#1,509
I know this is a bubble team thread but anyone want to discuss the #1 seeds?

Just love taking hoops and glad that it stays civil in here
 
#1,510
#1,510
MSUDuo said:
I know this is a bubble team thread but anyone want to discuss the #1 seeds?

Just love taking hoops and glad that it stays civil in here
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Kentucky, Syracuse and North Carolina are locks. It's probably between Kansas, Missouri and Michigan State for that final slot.
 
#1,511
#1,511
bleedingTNorange said:
Seton Hall

20-12(9-11)
RPI: 66
Kenpom: 49
BPI: 51

Vs top 1-25: 1-4
Vs top 26- 50: 2-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-2

Total vs top 100: 7-10
Since January: 8-10

SOS: 50



Northwestern:

18-13(8-11)
RPI: 61
Kenpom: 55
BPI: 51

Vs top 1-25: 1-8
Vs top 26-50: 0-2
Vs top 51-100: 4-3

Vs top 100: 5-13
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 18
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South Florida
19-13(13-7)
Rpi: 53
Kenpom: 65
BPI: 64

Vs top 1-25: 1-5
Vs top 26-50: 1-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-1

Vs top 100: 6-10
Since January: 13-6
SOS: 28
 
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#1,517
#1,517
Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange:
Seton Hall
20-12(9-11)
RPI: 66
Kenpom: 49
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-4
Vs top 26- 50: 2-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-2
Total vs top 100: 7-10
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 50



Northwestern:
18-13(8-11)
RPI: 61
Kenpom: 55
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-8
Vs top 26-50: 0-2
Vs top 51-100: 4-3
Vs top 100: 5-13
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 18


South Florida
19-13(13-7)
Rpi: 53
Kenpom: 65
BPI: 64
Vs top 1-25: 1-5
Vs top 26-50: 1-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-1
Vs top 100: 6-10
Since January: 13-6
SOS: 28


Tennessee
17-14(10-7)
RPI: 84
Kenpom: 59
BPI: 63

Vs top 1-25: 0-5
Vs top 26-50: 4-2
Vs top 51-100: 3-4

Vs top 100: 7-13
Since January: 12-8
SOS: 31
 
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#1,520
#1,520
I know the RPI isn't the main factor, but I just can't see them allowing a team with an RPI of 85 in the field. Letting USC get in last year was pushing it. Take away Tennessee's RPI and they have a resume that can compete with the other bubble teams. The only thing keeping this team from a lock is the month of December. Even with below average performances away from TBA, this team would have a decent resume.
 
#1,521
#1,521
TennesseeFan07 said:
Kentucky, Syracuse and North Carolina are locks. It's probably between Kansas, Missouri and Michigan State for that final slot.
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Can Missouri really be denied a #1 seed with 30 wins?

I'm struggling to see why KU is above them. Yes, KU won the B12 but they spilt the season series. Mizzou has 3 more wins, better top50 record, better top100 record. Their SOS is definitely lower but again, they've played and beat several good teams.

What if UNC loses? Can Mizzou and the tOSU/MSU winner jump up?
 
#1,522
#1,522
bleedingTNorange said:
Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange:
Seton Hall
20-12(9-11)
RPI: 66
Kenpom: 49
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-4
Vs top 26- 50: 2-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-2
Total vs top 100: 7-10
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 50



Northwestern:
18-13(8-11)
RPI: 61
Kenpom: 55
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-8
Vs top 26-50: 0-2
Vs top 51-100: 4-3
Vs top 100: 5-13
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 18


South Florida
19-13(13-7)
Rpi: 53
Kenpom: 65
BPI: 64
Vs top 1-25: 1-5
Vs top 26-50: 1-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-1
Vs top 100: 6-10
Since January: 13-6
SOS: 28


Tennessee
17-14(10-7)
RPI: 84
Kenpom: 59
BPI: 63

Vs top 1-25: 0-5
Vs top 26-50: 4-2
Vs top 51-100: 3-4

Vs top 100: 7-13
Since January: 12-8
SOS: 31
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Looking at all of those stacked together, Tennessee has the better overall resume. I just can't see the committee justifying the RPI. For the first time all season, you may have won me over on the "Tennessee deserves a bid" thinking. I just can't consider a team in the tourney with an RPI at 85, though.
 
#1,523
#1,523
Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange:
Seton Hall
20-12(9-11)
RPI: 66
Kenpom: 49
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-4
Vs top 26- 50: 2-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-2
Total vs top 100: 7-10
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 50



Northwestern:
18-13(8-11)
RPI: 61
Kenpom: 55
BPI: 51
Vs top 1-25: 1-8
Vs top 26-50: 0-2
Vs top 51-100: 4-3
Vs top 100: 5-13
Since January: 8-10
SOS: 18


South Florida
19-13(13-7)
Rpi: 53
Kenpom: 65
BPI: 64
Vs top 1-25: 1-5
Vs top 26-50: 1-4
Vs top 51-100: 4-1
Vs top 100: 6-10
Since January: 13-6
SOS: 28


Tennessee
17-14(10-7)
RPI: 84
Kenpom: 59
BPI: 63
Vs top 1-25: 0-5
Vs top 26-50: 4-2
Vs top 51-100: 3-4
Vs top 100: 7-13
Since January: 12-8
SOS: 31



Drexel
27-6(18-3)
RPI: 65
Kenpom: 40
BPI: 67
Vs top 1-25: 0-0
Vs top 26-50: 1-2
Vs top 51-100: 3-1
Vs top 100: 4-3
Since January: 19-2
SOS: 213


Miami
19-12(10-8)
RPI: 59
Kenpom: 37
BPI: 40
Vs top 1-25: 2-5
Vs top 26-50: 0-4
Vs top 51-100: 1-2
Vs top 100: 3-11
Since January: 11-8
SOS: 43
 
#1,524
#1,524
MSUDuo said:
Can Missouri really be denied a #1 seed with 30 wins?

I'm struggling to see why KU is above them. Yes, KU won the B12 but they spilt the season series. Mizzou has 3 more wins, better top50 record, better top100 record. Their SOS is definitely lower but again, they've played and beat several good teams.

What if UNC loses? Can Mizzou and the tOSU/MSU winner jump up?
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I don't think North Carolina will slide down any. It doesn't appear that Henson's injury will be significant either, so the committee won't punish them any for that. I think Missouri has a strong argument to be above Kansas, but I'm not sure the committee will place much weight on conference tournaments. If they do, then Missouri should be fine.
 
#1,525
#1,525
TennesseeFan07 said:
I don't think North Carolina will slide down any. It doesn't appear that Henson's injury will be significant either, so the committee won't punish them any for that. I think Missouri has a strong argument to be above Kansas, but I'm not sure the committee will place much weight on conference tournaments. If they do, then Missouri should be fine.
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I wouldn't expect them to place greater significance on them but those games were played. If teams are playing their ways in and out during the tournaments then teams in the field can jocky for position. KU had them beat in RPI and Pom but it isn't a huge difference.

30 wins is hard to ignore
 
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