Offseason OC and WR Coaching Upgrade

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Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching by previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
 
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volmandu said:
Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching or previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
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Can yall stop. Wasn't he the coach when Jalin Hyatt torched Bama? Yall need to keep some posts in your brain.
 
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volmandu said:
Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching by previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
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Has Heupel ever fired/replaced a coach since he has been a head coach? Not sure if that is even feasible.

I also do not have blind confidence that a coach is always going to throw loyalty out of the window and make those kind of hard decisions regarding personnel.

I agree that the QB and WR development has not been great the last two seasons. On the other hand, those positions have been recruited really well and have some promising young talent in the pipeline.
 
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Oh, I opened this thread expecting to see news of an upcoming change of OC and WR coaches during the off-season.
Silly me. You just can't trust thread titles to pan out. This one turned out to be all speculation with no information.
 
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iVolSoHard said:
Has Heupel ever fired/replaced a coach since he has been a head coach? Not sure if that is even feasible.

I also do not have blind confidence that a coach is always going to throw loyalty out of the window and make those kind of hard decisions regarding personnel.

I agree that the QB and WR development has not been great the last two seasons. On the other hand, those positions have been recruited really well and have some promising young talent in the pipeline.
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QB development is fine. Halze has always been the QB coach. He coached HH and JM. Nico is a freshman. JM has a ceiling, and it is what it is. Jalen Milroe is what we all thought JM would be. His decision making was slow and he wouldn't run. No amount of coaching can change that. When he did run, he was a better QB. Nothing is wrong with development.
 
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I am concerned about the offense though. And I don't know if CJH is calling plays or the OC but our offense lacks any semblance of surprise to the defense, creativity, or mismatches (other than hoping defenses are out of place at the snap and they've caught on to that). Defenses have also caught on to how to slow the vertical passing game with that umbrella coverage (which is what I referenced in that X's/O's thread).

In SEC play, we are 10th in scoring offense and 11th in total offense. We're down there with Miss State, Kentucky, etc. on offense. Whereas the other best teams in the league are in the top 5 in at least one if not both categories. Freshman QB or not, we have problems on offense. But everyone here already knows that from watching games. I think some sort of change is necessary.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
QB development is fine. Halze has always been the QB coach. He coached HH and JM. Nico is a freshman. JM has a ceiling, and it is what it is. Jalen Milroe is what we all thought JM would be. His decision making was slow and he wouldn't run. No amount of coaching can change that. When he did run, he was a better QB. Nothing is wrong with development.
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Wait a minute Jalen Milroe?
 
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This all day long. I trust CJH to make the decisions on his staff…and certainly not some armchair QB on here.
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I guess the discussion forums should be closed then .. coz you can't even ask questions about OC and WR coach change anymore even after having 11th scoring offense in SEC ... and second year straight of failing offense.
 
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volmandu said:
Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching by previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
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Jesus, let the play calling complaints go! We have a redshirt FRESHMAN QB and you are comparing him to a 2022 QB who was a red shirt SENIOR. I know most on here anointed Nico the second coming before his first play, but that was totally unfair. The play calling is the same, what is different is the vision of the QB.

The game is still fast for him, he still doesn't see the field totally, he needs a little more time to read the defense.

Here I will explain what happens:
After each play, we line up fairly quickly, Nico calls the play and then looks over to the sideline at this point CJH is talking to Nico telling him what to look for and how to adjust the play and the pass blocking.

Then Nico passes the info along to the OL and everyone else, and we snap the ball.

Hendon didn't have to do this, he could see it for himself, so we were able to go faster and run more different types of reads
 
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volmandu said:
Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching by previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
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Our receivers get open, Nico just doesn't see them yet. Look at the top of this screenshot, receiver has 3 yards on the DB, Hendon hits that for a walk in TD, Nico throws it incomplete to a hitch route on the sideline that is covered. Screenshot_20241119_103742_Chrome.jpg
 
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volmandu said:
Its been two seasons of fairly mediocre offense . Since Golesh left, we barely have open receivers or mismatches etc, and we have them our QB does not hit them. Joey Halzle is QB Coach and OC. Is it time to upgrade there ? I realize Huepel calls the play but it is the OC in the booth that gives him input on what alignment defense is in, what mismatch he sees ..

Same with Kelsey Pope. In two years the WRs have regressed. They still drop catches. They are not very physical in contested catches (outside of Bru). Highly recruited guys have not panned out so far. Folks like Leacock, Nimrod etc are still not SEC level. It almost seems like Pope benefitted in his year 1 from coaching by previous coach (Hyatt breakout etc).

Thoughts ??
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I mean Heupel is going to know what’s being communicated to him before he calls a play in. He’s going to review everything after the game in the film. If Joey isn’t doing what he needs to Heupel will know. I do think Golesh was better but a lot of that was Hendon Hooker as well.

WRs though. Idk what to tell you. Most disappointing group imo on the field.
 
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volmandu said:
I guess the discussion forums should be closed then .. coz you can't even ask questions about OC and WR coach change anymore even after having 11th scoring offense in SEC ... and second year straight of failing offense.
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I mean, respectfully, most of the questions/observations are stupid. "Do we fire this coach, that coach, all the coaches." "Why is Nico a bust" " Should we move to the ACC"
These questions are worse than my 7 year old opening the bathroom door, thinking of a question to ask me, and finally ask me what am I doing on the toilet. Like, come on, really?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Our receivers get open, Nico just doesn't see them yet. Look at the top of this screenshot, receiver has 3 yards on the DB, Hendon hits that for a walk in TD, Nico throws it incomplete to a hitch route on the sideline that is covered. View attachment 698930
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And those throws will come in time and experience. HH spoiled a lot of us, b it Nico has IT.
 
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volmandu said:
I guess the discussion forums should be closed then .. coz you can't even ask questions about OC and WR coach change anymore even after having 11th scoring offense in SEC ... and second year straight of failing offense.
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The Head Coach at UT is an "offense guy" named Josh Heupel. If the offense is anemic, shifting the blame to the OC or WR coach is not the answer.

I recall someone asking Kevin Steele, who was DC at Alabama at the time, who ran the Alabama defense. He said, "Make no mistake. The defense at Alabama will always be run by Coach Saban no matter who is the DC at Alabama." Saban was, first and always, a defensive coach. There was no question.

Coach Josh Heupel is an offensive coach. Problems or perceived problems with the recruiting, schemes, playcalling, etc at UT all come down to Josh Heupel. Shifting the blame that Golesh was better or Pope isn't getting it done aren't going far enough.

If Josh Heupel isn't in primary control of the entire offense, the playcalling, the play design, the recruiting, etc...... we have a big problem at UT.

I don't think Heupel has "retired" to become a CEO style coach already on both offense and defense. Heupel runs the offense.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I am concerned about the offense though. And I don't know if CJH is calling plays or the OC but our offense lacks any semblance of surprise to the defense, creativity, or mismatches (other than hoping defenses are out of place at the snap and they've caught on to that). Defenses have also caught on to how to slow the vertical passing game with that umbrella coverage (which is what I referenced in that X's/O's thread).

In SEC play, we are 10th in scoring offense and 11th in total offense. We're down there with Miss State, Kentucky, etc. on offense. Whereas the other best teams in the league are in the top 5 in at least one if not both categories. Freshman QB or not, we have problems on offense. But everyone here already knows that from watching games. I think some sort of change is necessary.
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I agree with your last paragraph. We struggle against the good teams on our schedule. We need some change in our play calling
 
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