Oh boy....Mizzou St Volunteers

#76
#76
Hens67 said:
Comparing Pearl 1st to Zo's is retarded...when Pearl took over our avg. attendance was like 7k
now its closer to 20k...and we have had consecutive tourney invites

Its just going to take me some time to change my way of thinking regarding the b-ball program....6 straight tourney invites.....a few McDonalds AA's....I thought we were in a better position than we really were i guess
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Yeah, recruits really want to play for a team not knowing what sanctions are on the horizon.
 
#78
#78
Once we know exactly what those sanctions are... hopefully things will change for the better in the quality of bball player we are offering and the level of interest from said players.
 
#79
#79
Hens67 said:
Comparing Pearl 1st to Zo's is retarded...when Pearl took over our avg. attendance was like 7k
now its closer to 20k...and we have had consecutive tourney invites

Its just going to take me some time to change my way of thinking regarding the b-ball program....6 straight tourney invites.....a few McDonalds AA's....I thought we were in a better position than we really were i guess
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In 6 years on the job Pearl never signed a top-notch point guard or center other than non-qualifier Chris Jones. The 1 and the 5 are the positions that generally separate good teams from elite teams.
 
#81
#81
Hens67 said:
Comparing Pearl 1st to Zo's is retarded...when Pearl took over our avg. attendance was like 7k
now its closer to 20k...and we have had consecutive tourney invites

Its just going to take me some time to change my way of thinking regarding the b-ball program....6 straight tourney invites.....a few McDonalds AA's....I thought we were in a better position than we really were i guess
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IMO, we haven't seen Zo's first class. Give him a full year with a class before you judge his recruiting prowess.

Pearl's first full recruiting class included Tabb, Chism, Johnson, Smith, and Crews. Frankly, if Zo recruits 3 players next year that make meaningful contributions, then he did better than Pearl.
 
#82
#82
Tabb had his moments as did Crews and Ramar... while shortlived. Wayne was the only player that exceeded his hype. As long as CCM pulls one, 4 year player then he matches Bruce's first class...
 
#83
#83
SGMVols said:
In 6 years on the job Pearl never signed a top-notch point guard or center other than non-qualifier Chris Jones. The 1 and the 5 are the positions that generally separate good teams from elite teams.
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Nice. The haters say Pearl was a bad floor coach. Now on top of this he didn't recruit well either. I guess the ghost of Ray Mears was getting us to an Elite Eight and six straight NCAAs.
 
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#84
Orange Bison said:
Nice. The haters say Pearl was a bad floor coach. Now on top of this he didn't recruit well either. I guess the ghost of Ray Mears was getting us to an Elite Eight and six straight NCAAs.
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He recruited well over his entire tenure here?
 
#85
#85
Orange Bison said:
Nice. The haters say Pearl was a bad floor coach. Now on top of this he didn't recruit well either. I guess the ghost of Ray Mears was getting us to an Elite Eight and six straight NCAAs.
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2005
Ryan Childress - carried over from UWM, finished his eligibility but wasn't anywhere near SEC caliber

2006
Wayne Chism - very good 4-year career, MVP of the Pearl era IMO (at least among his recruits)
Duke Crews - bust, dismissed from team
Marques Johnson - epic bust
Ramar Smith - bust, dismissed from team
Josh Tabb - mediocre, eventually dismissed from team

2007
Cameron Tatum - disappointment based on hype coming in
Brian Williams - had his ups and downs, but at least finished his eligibility

2008
Scotty Hopson - mostly good 3-year career, but much more was expected coming in
Philip Jurick - bust, flunked out of UT
Bobby Maze - decent, nothing spectacular
Daniel West - never made it to UT
Renaldo Woolridge - disappointment

2009
Kenny Hall - shows potential, but hasn't put it together yet
Melvin Goins - seen worse, but I've seen much better than him too
Skylar McBee - not SEC material

2010
Trae Golden - another case of Pearl trying to convert a natural 2 guard to PG instead of getting a true PG
Tobias Harris - By far the most talented player signed in the Pearl era, NBA 1st rounder
Jordan McRae - good athlete but has work to do to be a good SEC player

2011
Chris Jones - Finally Pearl signs a talented, true PG...but he failed to qualify and is JUCO bound
Kevin Ware - Not as good as early hype suggested, doesn't have many big name suitors even after granted a release from his UT LOI
 
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#86
lylsmorr said:
He recruited well over his entire tenure here?
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No- not the last year with those circumstances. And yes I know it was because of his own actions that made it difficult. CCM is in a tough spot, tougher than BP was his first year. That is why this Missouri St. comparison is silly. I think CCM will be a solid recruiter.
 
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#87
SGMVols said:
2005
Ryan Childress - carried over from UWM, finished his eligibility but wasn't anywhere near SEC caliber

2006
Wayne Chism - very good 4-year career, MVP of the Pearl era IMO (at least among his recruits)
Duke Crews - bust, dismissed from team
Marques Johnson - epic bust
Ramar Smith - bust, dismissed from team
Josh Tabb - mediocre, eventually dismissed from team

2007
Cameron Tatum - disappointment based on hype coming in
Brian Williams - had his ups and downs, but at least finished his eligibility

2008
Scotty Hopson - mostly good 3-year career, but much more was expected coming in
Philip Jurick - bust, flunked out of UT
Bobby Maze - decent, nothing spectacular
Daniel West - never made it to UT
Renaldo Woolridge - disappointment

2009
Kenny Hall - shows potential, but hasn't put it together yet
Melvin Goins - seen worse, but I've seen much better than him too
Skylar McBee - not SEC material

2010
Trae Golden - another case of Pearl trying to convert a natural 2 guard to PG instead of getting a true PG
Tobias Harris - By far the most talented player signed in the Pearl era, NBA 1st rounder
Jordan McRae - good athlete but has work to do to be a good SEC player

2011
Chris Jones - Finally Pearl signs a talented, true PG...but he failed to qualify and is JUCO bound
Kevin Ware - Not as good as early hype suggested, doesn't have many big name suitors even after granted a release from his UT LOI
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So are you admitting he is a good floor coach then? BP wasn't recruiting Cal talent but who is that isn't at a tradition rich school? There is talent in those lists and many of those guys were highly touted out of high school.
 
#88
#88
Orange Bison said:
So are you admitting he is a good floor coach then? BP wasn't recruiting Cal talent but who is that isn't at a tradition rich school? There is talent in those lists and many of those guys were highly touted out of high school.
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Pearl is a good motivator and hustle will win a lot of games. If you watched our "offense" and thought that he was a "good" coach then I don't know what to tell you.
 
#92
#92
Chris4Vols22 said:
I was reading up on this guy the other day. He has my attention.
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volsbit.. leaked the story on him from one of the pay sites.
Really wants to come to Tennessee.
VCU has offered him but would probably redshirt him.
Kinda skinny but TN's got taters.
 
#93
#93
lylsmorr said:
Pearl is a good motivator and hustle will win a lot of games. If you watched our "offense" and thought that he was a "good" coach then I don't know what to tell you.
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Gee...how about tell me no more because now I get it. This whole time I failed to realize the other college coaches did not motivate or teach their players to "hustle." BP won all his games off being a motivator and teaching "hustle"....spot on analysis. Because his opponents he beat were better coached but they just didn't hustle as much. Oh yeah....and they had more talent too because his recruiting was awful. A combined 462-145 record, 6 straight NCAAs, Elite Eight, and a DII Nat'l Championship off "hustle." BTW- I watched & listened to about every game and saw more "winning" in his 6 years than I ever had in my previous 3 decades of watching UT bball. Moved on and always supporting CCM now.
 
#94
#94
SGMVols said:
2005
Ryan Childress - carried over from UWM, finished his eligibility but wasn't anywhere near SEC caliber2006
Wayne Chism - very good 4-year career, MVP of the Pearl era IMO (at least among his recruits)
Duke Crews - bust, dismissed from team
Marques Johnson - epic bust
Ramar Smith - bust, dismissed from team
Josh Tabb - mediocre, eventually dismissed from team

2007
Cameron Tatum - disappointment based on hype coming in
Brian Williams - had his ups and downs, but at least finished his eligibility

2008
Scotty Hopson - mostly good 3-year career, but much more was expected coming in
Philip Jurick - bust, flunked out of UT
Bobby Maze - decent, nothing spectacularDaniel West - never made it to UT
Renaldo Woolridge - disappointment

2009
Kenny Hall - shows potential, but hasn't put it together yet
Melvin Goins - seen worse, but I've seen much better than him too
Skylar McBee - not SEC material

2010
Trae Golden - another case of Pearl trying to convert a natural 2 guard to PG instead of getting a true PG
Tobias Harris - By far the most talented player signed in the Pearl era, NBA 1st rounder
Jordan McRae - good athlete but has work to do to be a good SEC player

2011
Chris Jones - Finally Pearl signs a talented, true PG...but he failed to qualify and is JUCO bound
Kevin Ware - Not as good as early hype suggested, doesn't have many big name suitors even after granted a release from his UT LOI
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Making this statement is rock solid proof you have no idea what you are talking about

We don't come close to making EE without the solid play of Bobby Maze. Once again, your analysis is weak and clueless
 
#97
#97
Had he been VERY GOOD, he would be playing somewhere now. He was an adequate point guard for us, but nothing special and was not considered by anyone knowledgeable of basketball as a VERY GOOD point guard.
 
#98
#98
Orange Bison said:
Gee...how about tell me no more because now I get it. This whole time I failed to realize the other college coaches did not motivate or teach their players to "hustle." BP won all his games off being a motivator and teaching "hustle"....spot on analysis. Because his opponents he beat were better coached but they just didn't hustle as much. Oh yeah....and they had more talent too because his recruiting was awful. A combined 462-145 record, 6 straight NCAAs, Elite Eight, and a DII Nat'l Championship off "hustle." BTW- I watched & listened to about every game and saw more "winning" in his 6 years than I ever had in my previous 3 decades of watching UT bball. Moved on and always supporting CCM now.
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We ran those teams to death. That's hustle, is it not? DII National Championship doesn't mean **** here. If we're going that route, then hey he lost to Indianapolis.
 
#99
#99
BasketvolsFan said:
Had he been VERY GOOD, he would be playing somewhere now. He was an adequate point guard for us, but nothing special and was not considered by anyone knowledgeable of basketball as a VERY GOOD point guard.
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I've talked to several people that would be recognized as knowledgeable that said he was very good the last half of last season. There are lots of VERY GOOD point guards in college that don't play afterwards. Probably your most uninformed comment to date

I don't know if I am knowledgeable or not. I am certain I know AT LEAST as much as you though.
 
#100
#100
shortgameVol said:
I've talked to several people that would be recognized as knowledgeable that said he was very good the last half of last season. There are lots of VERY GOOD point guards in college that don't play afterwards. Probably your most uninformed comment to date

I don't know if I am knowledgeable or not. I am certain I know AT LEAST as much as you though.
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If that's true, your posts should provide a much better example of your knowledge then. There is a shortage of VERY GOOD point guards in the NBA now. If these VERY GOOD point guards existed, they would have no trouble being drafted.
 
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