Ohio State President - Boise, TCU not worthy

#26
#26
I looked at the 62-0. I'm pretty confident OSU could have done the same. Seems like 2004 Oregon State may have been their toughest game, simply because they weren't as good in 2004.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I looked at the 62-0. I'm pretty confident OSU could have done the same. Seems like 2004 Oregon State may have been their toughest game, simply because they weren't as good in 2004.
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More misdirection. The question isn't whether OSU would be 62-0 with BSU's schedule, the question is whether going 62-0 at home is more impressive than beating 4 unranked teams in a row?
 
#29
#29
spudvol said:
If BSU wins its last home game this year and its first next year, that will be 10 years without losing a regular season home game. BSU football budget over that 10 year span is less than OSU's annual budget ($31million).
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Not sure how Boise not having as much money makes them a better team.
So you are saying it is easier to win 62 in a row at home than it is to beat 4 unranked teams? Break it down for me, because that just sounds insane to me.
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Actually 3 unranked teams. I just realized OSU lost to Illinois. And Boise's win streak maybe included 2 opponents that were better than any of those teams.
 
#30
#30
spudvol said:
You are claiming that your 2 posts that I quoted state the same thing when they clearly do not.
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They certainly don't contradict each other. Just because you can't draw the line doesn't mean I was claiming two different things entirely.
 
#32
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spudvol said:
More misdirection. The question isn't whether OSU would be 62-0 with BSU's schedule, the question is whether going 62-0 at home is more impressive than beating 4 unranked teams in a row?
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You may as well ask if it's more impressive than beating last year's Oregon team (which OSU did on a neutral field) and picking up 61 forfeit victories.
 
#34
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tvolsfan said:
Not sure how Boise not having as much money makes them a better team.

Actually 3 unranked teams. I just realized OSU lost to Illinois. And Boise's win streak maybe included 2 opponents that were better than any of those teams.
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Again, we aren't talking about which team is better, we are discussing which feat is more impressive. The reason I brought up the budget differential is because gives perspective to BSU's 'feat' in this discussion.
 
#36
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spudvol said:
Again, we aren't talking about which team is better, we are discussing which feat is more impressive. The reason I brought up the budget differential is because gives perspective to BSU's 'feat' in this discussion.
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That's a completely different argument. I really hope you're smart enough to see the difference.
 
#38
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spudvol said:
Read the top quote. Now read the bottom quote. Is the bottom quote a restatement of the top quote? No, it isn't. Elaborate enough or should I link you to a dictionary?
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When did I say it's a restatement? I claimed to have said something which could clearly be inferred from the first post.
 
#39
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tvolsfan said:
That's a completely different argument. I really hope you're smart enough to see the difference.
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With BSU's facilities, recruiting, and budget they managed to go 62-0 at home. To me, that is helluva impressive given the fact that no other team with similar resources has come close to matching it. You are saying that not only is BSU's 'feat' not impressive, it isn't even as impressive as OSU beating four 9-4 teams in a row.

So break it down for me, how is beating four 9-4 teams in a row more impressive?
 
#42
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tvolsfan said:
When did I say it's a restatement? I claimed to have said something which could clearly be inferred from the first post.
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You made a statement. I questioned it, you responded with a 'here's is what my original statement said' post- that is a restatement.
 
#43
#43
The guy has a point. Bottom line is they don't schedule decent opponents because they don't have the talent to beat them. I'm not saying they aren't good teams-they are, but until they prove how good on the field they don't deserve to go to major bowl games. There are a lot of teams in major conferences that could run up the score on subpar competition and be undefeated at the end of the year and nobody would know who was better. They should have to prove it on the field like everybody else. If either team really made an effort to schedule better competition they could...Notre Dame isn't even in a conference and they do it every year.

It's not just the teams that they knock out of playing in the game, it's also not fair to the team they have to play. You have to play a rigorous schedule in the SEC, Big Ten, etc, and deal with all of the injuries and pulling everything out of your playbook to get there and then you have to face a team like tcu or boise st that has basically played practice games all year and has few if any injuries and a untapped playbook. If they quit letting them play in these major bowl games, they would schedule better teams during the regular season, but as long as they can play gravy teams and cry about not making it, that is what they are going to do.
 
#45
#45
Volfan76 said:
The guy has a point. Bottom line is they don't schedule decent opponents because they don't have the talent to beat them. I'm not saying they aren't good teams-they are, but until they prove how good on the field they don't deserve to go to major bowl games. There are a lot of teams in major conferences that could run up the score on subpar competition and be undefeated at the end of the year and nobody would know who was better. They should have to prove it on the field like everybody else. If either team really made an effort to schedule better competition they could...Notre Dame isn't even in a conference and they do it every year.

It's not just the teams that they knock out of playing in the game, it's also not fair to the team they have to play. You have to play a rigorous schedule in the SEC, Big Ten, etc, and deal with all of the injuries and pulling everything out of your playbook to get there and then you have to face a team like tcu or boise st that has basically played practice games all year and has few if any injuries and a untapped playbook. If they quit letting them play in these major bowl games, they would schedule better teams during the regular season, but as long as they can play gravy teams and cry about not making it, that is what they are going to do.
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I don't suppose you happen to have any links to confirm all this BS you just spewed?
 
#47
#47
Volfan76 said:
The guy has a point. Bottom line is they don't schedule decent opponents because they don't have the talent to beat them. I'm not saying they aren't good teams-they are, but until they prove how good on the field they don't deserve to go to major bowl games. There are a lot of teams in major conferences that could run up the score on subpar competition and be undefeated at the end of the year and nobody would know who was better. They should have to prove it on the field like everybody else. If either team really made an effort to schedule better competition they could...Notre Dame isn't even in a conference and they do it every year.

It's not just the teams that they knock out of playing in the game, it's also not fair to the team they have to play. You have to play a rigorous schedule in the SEC, Big Ten, etc, and deal with all of the injuries and pulling everything out of your playbook to get there and then you have to face a team like tcu or boise st that has basically played practice games all year and has few if any injuries and a untapped playbook. If they quit letting them play in these major bowl games, they would schedule better teams during the regular season, but as long as they can play gravy teams and cry about not making it, that is what they are going to do.
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In 2007, OSU's post-bowl game SOS was 53rd, which means their pre-bowl game SOS was in the mid 60's. BSU's pre-bowl-game SOS is going to be in the mid 60's after this season. Now how in the hell does Gee have a point?
 
#48
#48
Volfan76 said:
The guy has a point. Bottom line is they don't schedule decent opponents because they don't have the talent to beat them. I'm not saying they aren't good teams-they are, but until they prove how good on the field they don't deserve to go to major bowl games. There are a lot of teams in major conferences that could run up the score on subpar competition and be undefeated at the end of the year and nobody would know who was better. They should have to prove it on the field like everybody else. If either team really made an effort to schedule better competition they could...Notre Dame isn't even in a conference and they do it every year.

It's not just the teams that they knock out of playing in the game, it's also not fair to the team they have to play. You have to play a rigorous schedule in the SEC, Big Ten, etc, and deal with all of the injuries and pulling everything out of your playbook to get there and then you have to face a team like tcu or boise st that has basically played practice games all year and has few if any injuries and a untapped playbook. If they quit letting them play in these major bowl games, they would schedule better teams during the regular season, but as long as they can play gravy teams and cry about not making it, that is what they are going to do.
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this must have been Oklahoma's excuse
 
#49
#49
What you guys seem to be missing is the irony. If it had been anyone else other than OSU's prez they might have been able to make a case. But the fact that OSU has made it to 3 NC game directly because of their weak schedule renders Gee point hilarious.
 
#50
#50
spudvol said:
What you guys seem to be missing is the irony. If it had been anyone else other than OSU's prez they might have been able to make a case. But the fact that OSU has made it to 3 NC game directly because of their weak schedule renders Gee point hilarious.
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In 2002 they easily handled the Pac 10 champion as well as 3 other ranked teams during the regular season. In 2006, they easily beat number 2 on the road, another number 2 at home, and killed another top 15 team on the road. 2007 was the worst, and even then, they actually beat 4 ranked teams. Boise's most impressive win this year came against a team that lost to an FCS team at home.
 
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