Ohio State President - Boise, TCU not worthy

#80
#80
utvolpj said:
it will be much closer if a team like Boise makes the final game
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Probably not. Most likely scenario that gets us a playoff is for one or two 1-loss AQ teams to make the NC game while one or two undefeated non-AQ teams get left out.
 
#81
#81
spudvol said:
Actually the WAC is rated ahead of the Big East, ACC, and MWC this year. Funny how nothing you say matches reality.

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if that's true then why is beating the ACC champ such a big deal? Would it also be a big deal if you beat the Sun Belt champ?

and that is a very top-heavy ranking system. It's no doubt skewed based on Boise's inflated rank and doesn't really rank the true top-to-bottom
 
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#83
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Here's reality. They went 61-0 at home. There are 120 or so teams in the FBS. They basically just beat the bottom half of all programs. Is that impressive? Not really considering there's a lot of teams in the top 60 that could do the same thing Boise just did, and very few of those programs in the top 60 deserve to play for the NC.
 
#84
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utvolpj said:
if that's true then why is beating the ACC champ such a big deal? Would it also be a big deal if you beat the Sun Belt champ?

and that is a very top-heavy ranking system. It's no doubt skewed based on Boise's inflated rank and doesn't really rank the true top-to-bottom
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Perhaps you should show the guys in ESPN's Stats and Info Dept how it's done since you have obviously identified and remedied all the 'apparent' flaws in their system.

Don't you ever wonder that when you make something up like "It's no doubt skewed based on Boise's inflated rank and doesn't really rank the true top-to-bottom" that someone, somewhere just might call you on it? Have you examined the way those rankings were determined and found the methods to be flawed? Hmm, no. You just made that crap up. Sincerely, it is nothing personal on my side, I'm just having fun on a holiday, but it just amazes me that you keep doing the same thing over and over.
 
#85
#85
spudvol said:
Perhaps you should show the guys in ESPN's Stats and Info Dept how it's done since you have obviously identified and remedied all the 'apparent' flaws in their system.

Don't you ever wonder that when you make something up like "It's no doubt skewed based on Boise's inflated rank and doesn't really rank the true top-to-bottom" that someone, somewhere just might call you on it? Have you examined the way those rankings were determined and found the methods to be flawed? Hmm, no. You just made that crap up. Sincerely, it is nothing personal on my side, I'm just having fun on a holiday, but it just amazes me that you keep doing the same thing over and over.
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yeah I did look at their explanation

The AP (or Coaches) poll is a good proxy for the strength of the top schools in each conference. On any given week there are roughly 35-45 schools given a positive voting number, that is, at least one 25th place vote. This means about two-thirds of FBS schools are treated equally and given zero AP points. So, only conferences with these elite schools will get any points at all and only the elite of the elite will receive the major points given out if you can make the top ten.
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so basically that puts the bottom of the worst conf on par with the middle of the best (something like Memphis = TN in the rankings). You find that acceptable when ranking the total strength of a conf?
 
#86
#86
utvolpj said:
yeah I did look at their explanation

so basically that puts the bottom of the worst conf on par with the middle of the best (something like Memphis = TN in the rankings). You find that acceptable when ranking the total strength of a conf?
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I'm no statistician, but it reads to me like they are rounding off the bottom teams which would help a good conference as much as it helps a bad conference. Explain it so a layman can understand it.
 
#87
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spudvol said:
I'm no statistician, but it reads to me like they are rounding off the bottom teams which would help a bad conference more than it helps a good conference. Explain it so a layman can understand it.
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pretty much my point. And it explains itself pretty well

This means about two-thirds of FBS schools are treated equally and given zero AP points.
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so 2/3 of D-1 teams are absolutely equal no matter their conf or record.
 
#88
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utvolpj said:
pretty much my point. And it explains itself pretty well



so 2/3 of D-1 teams are absolutely equal no matter their conf or record.
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Right. They're saying all bad teams suck, so let's rank conferences by the differential between the Top4-5 in each conference. What makes you think this is flawed?
 
#89
#89
spudvol said:
I'm no statistician, but it reads to me like they are rounding off the bottom teams which would help a good conference as much as it helps a bad conference. Explain it so a layman can understand it.
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how would it do that? I'll use another example

Vandy and E. Michigan are 100% equal in this ranking. Never mind the fact that EMU is 2-9 and got throttled by Vandy.

How does that help the SEC and hurt the MAC?
 
#90
#90
spudvol said:
Right. They're saying all bad teams suck, so let's rank conferences by the differential between the Top4-5 in each conference. What makes you think this is flawed?
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because it's showing nothing about the overall strength of conf and only a couple of teams
 
#91
#91
utvolpj said:
how would it do that? I'll use another example

Vandy and E. Michigan are 100% equal in this ranking. Never mind the fact that EMU is 2-9 and got throttled by Vandy.

How does that help the SEC and hurt the MAC?
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kinda reminds me of how wisconsin is ranked ahead of michigan state even though MSU beat them. polls are jokes
 
#92
#92
We created this system to grade conferences based equally on two key components, the quality of the upper tier schools AND the depth of the conference. The AP (or Coaches) poll is a good proxy for the strength of the top schools in each conference. On any given week there are roughly 35-45 schools given a positive voting number, that is, at least one 25th place vote. This means about two-thirds of FBS schools are treated equally and given zero AP points. So, only conferences with these elite schools will get any points at all and only the elite of the elite will receive the major points given out if you can make the top ten.

The second aspect of this system is designed to proxy the depth of the conference. Computer ratings are great for this purpose as they always will rate at least all FBS schools. Thus if you are a very top heavy conference with bad schools near the bottom of your standings, computer ratings will heavily penalize you.

You left part of their formula out when you quoted it. This should equalize any problems you are having with the first part of their system.
 
#93
#93
it's doesn't since one half of the formula completely ignores two-thirds of the teams playing d-1 football while the top teams are counted twice. Pretty weak
 
#94
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My definition of pretty weak would be posting half of something and trying to pass it off as the whole thing. Anyway if you have a problem with it you can post comment about it at the link I gave you and the guy will answer it.
 
#95
#95
I just find the whole thing amusing. Boise and TCU play some pretty good football, ask Oklahoma. Ask Oregon St.. Ask VA Tech. Could they beat a team like Auburn or Oregon? I don't know, why don't we have a game and find out? You know, the way every other sport in the world does.
What's even funnier is Ohio St. doesn't have any more top 25 wins than Boise does.
 
#96
#96
spudvol said:
You made the BS claims. Back it up or tuck tail and run.
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It's not a bs claim to say that TCU and Boise St play weak schedules. Everybody in the country knows that except for you. According to USA Today Boise St Schedule Strength is rated 73 in the nation through games of November.... TCU is a whooping 68. Yea, they are playing with the big boys :salute:
 
#97
#97
Volfan76 said:
It's not a bs claim to say that TCU and Boise St play weak schedules. Everybody in the country knows that except for you. According to USA Today Boise St Schedule Strength is rated 73 in the nation through games of November.... TCU is a whooping 68. Yea, they are playing with the big boys :salute:
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So an AQ school with an SOS in the mid 60's is NC game worthy and a non-AQ school with an SOS in the mid 60's isn't worthy? Clear as mud brother.
 
#99
#99
Volfan76 said:
Who has sos in the mid 60's?
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OSU in 2007 when they played for the NC. The same OSU whose president is saying non-AQ schools shouldn't be allowed to play for the NC because of their weak schedule. Irony, it's everywhere.
 
#100
#100
Boise State played a team that lost to an FCS team, Oregon State, who just isn't that good, and they pick up 10 forfeit wins. Yeah, they really deserve a shot at the national title.
 
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