Ohio State President - Boise, TCU not worthy

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If those schools are undeserving, schedule them! Stop talking about it and play them. I for one would like to never see BSU on our schedule. I'm starting to hope that OSU wins the Big 10 this year and end up playing one of these "undeserving" schools in a bowl game. That would certainly get me to watch an OSU game.
 
#154
#154
VOLnVEGAS said:
Loved how he told the truth.
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Except the idiotic comments about the BCS being superior to any other format and saying a playoff is a "slippery slope to professionalism." That comment alone is ultra retarded, especially coming from some Ohio St.
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#155
#155
nobody realizes that this Gee dude is praising the EXACT same system that has made it possible for a Boise ST and a TCU to play each other in a BCS NC GAME..dude is a moron as is those that take his side.
TCU is 3 and Boise ST. is 4 IN THE BCS STANDINGS!!!!!! are people REALLY this stupid?
 
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#156
#156
Gee is in the pocket of the university's presidents who are getting kicked back by the good ol' boys bowl network.
 
#157
#157
Gee is right.

'Round these parts, with Ohio's high school playoffs nearing a climax, we see the same arguments and stupidity as takes place in college football. Namely, "Why is this 6-4 team in the playoffs while my preferred 9-1 team is on the outside?" And the answer is the same: "You play nobody".

I'm a product of one of the greatest programs in the history of Ohio. About 10 years ago, this particular school found scheduling opponents to be nearly impossible; there's a very small conference schedule and a lot of spaces to fill. This is hardly an uncommon occurrence; a bunch of crybaby public schools complain about how "unfair" the system is, so they refuse to schedule the programs that are, you know, good. So the teams end up scheduling each other, meaning that while some decent public school is beating the living hell out of some slapdick public school, two private schools are having a bloodbath out there. (By the way, the crown for "best conference/region in the country" is once again worn by the GCL out of Cincinnati: all Catholic schools).

If filling a schedule means playing up a division in the regular season, so be it. If it means playing up two divisions, that happens too. A couple years back, a D-6 school (D-6 is the smallest in Ohio) played a D-1 school (D-1 being the biggest) and hammered them. If it means going out of state, that happens as well. If there's an open week on the schedule, two powerhouses will collide because there's a bunch of spineless schools out there.

There is nothing in the world that prevents Boise State from scheduling other schools that are in exactly the same situation, knowing full well that if they make it through, they'll have a much better claim to a title game appearance than if they didn't. Boise State last year played Oregon out of conference....and Bowling Green, UC-Davis (FCS), and Miami U. You know who played fewer MAC schools and FCS opponents than Boise? Ohio State, who I loathe.

I know exactly what Boise State and all these other whining small schools are doing. They would rather have the issue and hope to back into an unjustified title game appearance than actually have to go onto the field and state their case against a team that could actually beat a good high school squad. We see it here...except those teams usually get lit up by the same 7-3 schools that they try so hard to avoid during the season.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Gee is right.

'Round these parts, with Ohio's high school playoffs nearing a climax, we see the same arguments and stupidity as takes place in college football. Namely, "Why is this 6-4 team in the playoffs while my preferred 9-1 team is on the outside?" And the answer is the same: "You play nobody".

I'm a product of one of the greatest programs in the history of Ohio. About 10 years ago, this particular school found scheduling opponents to be nearly impossible; there's a very small conference schedule and a lot of spaces to fill. This is hardly an uncommon occurrence; a bunch of crybaby public schools complain about how "unfair" the system is, so they refuse to schedule the programs that are, you know, good. So the teams end up scheduling each other, meaning that while some decent public school is beating the living hell out of some slapdick public school, two private schools are having a bloodbath out there. (By the way, the crown for "best conference/region in the country" is once again worn by the GCL out of Cincinnati: all Catholic schools).

If filling a schedule means playing up a division in the regular season, so be it. If it means playing up two divisions, that happens too. A couple years back, a D-6 school (D-6 is the smallest in Ohio) played a D-1 school (D-1 being the biggest) and hammered them. If it means going out of state, that happens as well. If there's an open week on the schedule, two powerhouses will collide because there's a bunch of spineless schools out there.

There is nothing in the world that prevents Boise State from scheduling other schools that are in exactly the same situation, knowing full well that if they make it through, they'll have a much better claim to a title game appearance than if they didn't. Boise State last year played Oregon out of conference....and Bowling Green, UC-Davis (FCS), and Miami U. You know who played fewer MAC schools and FCS opponents than Boise? Ohio State, who I loathe.

I know exactly what Boise State and all these other whining small schools are doing. They would rather have the issue and hope to back into an unjustified title game appearance than actually have to go onto the field and state their case against a team that could actually beat a good high school squad. We see it here...except those teams usually get lit up by the same 7-3 schools that they try so hard to avoid during the season.
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Speculative BS. You know absolutely nothing about what BSU wants and doesn't want. Are you sitting in on meetings with the BSU administration? Hell no. Either back this BS up with some proof or stop presenting your beliefs and opinions as facts.
 
#159
#159
Boise can't take the same tact that schools in a BCS conference take in regard to scheduling cupcakes for out of conference games due to the fact that those schools play a harder conference schedule and Boise is in a suck ass conference.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Boise can't take the same tact that schools in a BCS conference take in regard to scheduling cupcakes for out of conference games due to the fact that those schools play a harder conference schedule and Boise is in a suck ass conference.
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There is no requirement regarding SOS to play in the NC game. There is no requirement regarding wins and losses to play in the NC game. No team is required to go undefeated or win its conference to play in the NC game. While all these things might help a team get to the NC game, not a single one of them is a requirement.

There is only one requirement to play in the NC game- finish in the Top2 in the end of season BCS poll. That's it. Your problems are with the system, not any individual team playing under it.
 
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#164
spudvol said:
Speculative BS. You know absolutely nothing about what BSU wants and doesn't want. Are you sitting in on meetings with the BSU administration? Hell no. Either back this BS up with some proof or stop presenting your beliefs and opinions as facts.
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Deductive reasoning, my high-strung friend.

Boise State wants to play in a BCS game every year, preferably a national championship game, and they want to win. I don't believe that that goal is really in dispute. Ergo, fact #1: Boise wants to win a national championship.

Boise State has undoubtedly seen that other small conference schools have been left out in the dark by virtue of playing weak out of conference schedules. When a school has a laughably weak conference schedule, it is necessary to stack the deck out of conference to compensate as best as possible. Boise must have seen this, because it has happened to their own conference opponents. Ergo, fact #2: Boise is aware that a weak conference schedule must be compensated for with a strong out of conference schedule.

Boise State does not play a schedule that even approaches "respectable". It can logically be deduced that one of the following holds true:
1) Boise State refuses to play anyone out of conference that is halfway decent.
2) Boise State is willing to play teams that are halfway decent, but refuses to play under the conditions offered by said schools.
3) Boise State is willing to play teams that are halfway decent, but refuse to offer conditions to possible opponents that are acceptable.

Boise is not the one with the leverage here. They are quite aware of the fact that they need quality non-conference opponents, and yet are unwilling to actually do so. The idea that a team in this position is more willing to play UC-Davis instead of other FBS schools because of either greed or a totally warped sense of the reality of the situation simply bears out what I said earlier. Fact #3: Boise State would rather have the issue and back into a title game, following exactly the same demented "logic" that BYU had perfected during the early 1980s. If you can't back in, claim that the system is screwing you, even if your non-conference schedule is worse than half of the teams that you claim to be able to beat....and those schools have to play in real conferences.
 
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spudvol said:
There is no requirement regarding SOS to play in the NC game. There is no requirement regarding wins and losses to play in the NC game. No team is required to go undefeated or win its conference to play in the NC game. While all these things might help a team get to the NC game, not a single one of them is a requirement.

There is only one requirement to play in the NC game- finish in the Top2 in the end of season BCS poll. That's it. Your problems are with the system, not any individual team playing under it.
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Of course the problems are with the system. It's not BSU's or TCU's fault they couldn't get into the "elite " conference and make the path easier for them to play for all the marbles. The system currently utilized is patently unfair for all of the schools that weren't lucky enough to be annointed as "bcs schools".
 
#167
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Ohio Vol said:
Deductive reasoning, my high-strung friend.

Boise State wants to play in a BCS game every year, preferably a national championship game, and they want to win. I don't believe that that goal is really in dispute. Ergo, fact #1: Boise wants to win a national championship.

Boise State has undoubtedly seen that other small conference schools have been left out in the dark by virtue of playing weak out of conference schedules. When a school has a laughably weak conference schedule, it is necessary to stack the deck out of conference to compensate as best as possible. Boise must have seen this, because it has happened to their own conference opponents. Ergo, fact #2: Boise is aware that a weak conference schedule must be compensated for with a strong out of conference schedule.

Boise State does not play a schedule that even approaches "respectable". It can logically be deduced that one of the following holds true:
1) Boise State refuses to play anyone out of conference that is halfway decent.
2) Boise State is willing to play teams that are halfway decent, but refuses to play under the conditions offered by said schools.
3) Boise State is willing to play teams that are halfway decent, but refuse to offer conditions to possible opponents that are acceptable.

Boise is not the one with the leverage here. They are quite aware of the fact that they need quality non-conference opponents, and yet are unwilling to actually do so. The idea that a team in this position is more willing to play UC-Davis instead of other FBS schools because of either greed or a totally warped sense of the reality of the situation simply bears out what I said earlier. Fact #3: Boise State would rather have the issue and back into a title game, following exactly the same demented "logic" that BYU had perfected during the early 1980s. If you can't back in, claim that the system is screwing you, even if your non-conference schedule is worse than half of the teams that you claim to be able to beat....and those schools have to play in real conferences.
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I want proof, not more speculation. Show me the minutes of the meetings you attended at BSU or stop pretending you know what BSU "wants".

In 2007 Ohio St had a SOS in the mid 60's and played in the NC game. The president of OSU at that time was a man named Gordon Gee. Did Gee speak about teams with a weak schedule not deserving to play in as NC game in 2007. Hell F'ing no. Why? Because his university stood to benefit. Today, Gee whines about BSU/TCU getting into the NC game with an identical SOS to OSU's in 2007. Gordon Gee is a hypocrite. Anyone who tries to defend this hypocrisy is an idiot. End of story.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Of course the problems are with the system. It's not BSU's or TCU's fault they couldn't get into the "elite " conference and make the path easier for them to play for all the marbles. The system currently utilized is patently unfair for all of the schools that weren't lucky enough to be annointed as "bcs schools".
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Agree 100%. Let's fix the system. <cough>playoff<cough>
 
#169
#169
Ohiovol

Here is a Dan Patrick interview with Chris Petersen after last year's Fiesta Bowl where the actual coach for BSU discusses what you claim to know. Watch it then tell me whether the facts presented in the video agree with your 'magical knowledge' of what BSU wants.

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EDIT- Here is another longer interview with Petersen. Does he sound like a guy trying to steal a NC?
 
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spudvol said:
Does he sound like a guy trying to steal a NC?
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Did you expect him to say, I hope we steal one when everyone else is down because I know we can't compete with national championship caliber teams in most years," or something like that?
 
#173
#173
he nailed it! Go VOLS, Go Saints, and the buckeyes are ok i guess...(in-laws are huge buckeye fans)
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tvolsfan said:
I looked at the 62-0. I'm pretty confident OSU could have done the same. Seems like 2004 Oregon State may have been their toughest game, simply because they weren't as good in 2004.
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You're delusional. The beat the piss out of Oregon last year. Take off the blinders.
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