Oil Rig Explosion

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#102
Crews dealt setback in placing containment dome in Gulf oil spill - CNN.com

Unfortunately, try 1 didn't work for the containment dome. Gas hydrates formed, causing the dome to become buoyant. The hydrate crystals also clogged the tip of the upside down funnel. The depths they are working in are going to be a real problem here...things get crazy complicated. They'll try again in a few days it seems.
 
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I wonder how long until a viable "Plan B" for the dome will take?

Kind of hard to believe that hydrate buoyancy is the culprit with a 100-ton dome.
 
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The news reports I saw regarding the congressional hearing on the disaster today were funny. The talking heads acted surprised that no one stepped up to take the blame for the explosion.

Did they really think that was going to happen?
 
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how could they take blame for the explosion? did they have knowledge that a pocket of methane would ignite?

the only real blame game that can be played here is why the safety systems on the bottom of the Gulf didn't activate and why the Federal Government's response plan wasn't even capable of being put into action.
 
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BP did apparently make the decision to not cement it and instead dug further (according to reports) which means they will be held culpable.
 
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MG1968 said:
how could they take blame for the explosion? did they have knowledge that a pocket of methane would ignite?

the only real blame game that can be played here is why the safety systems on the bottom of the Gulf didn't activate and why the Federal Government's response plan wasn't even capable of being put into action.
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Surely you didn't blame the federal government when the response to the flooding in New Orleans was not the overwhelming force portrayed in U2's and Green Day's music video "The Saints are Marching"?


I have no idea why people expect so much from the federal government.
 
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IPorange said:
Surely you didn't blame the federal government when the response to the flooding in New Orleans was not the overwhelming force portrayed in U2's and Green Day's music video "The Saints are Marching"?


I have no idea why people expect so much from the federal government.
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because FEMA's a big biatch that eats a lot of our cash.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
because FEMA's a big biatch that eats a lot of our cash.
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At a certain point, the more extra cash you feed into something, the only thing more of you'll get is sh**. Money isn't a magical machine of work. Too much breeds inefficiency.
 
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I believe the industry has professional clean up crews who are responsible for being first responders at an oil spill.

Additionally, I think it took a day or two to determine the extent of the leak. Initially, BP thought it was much smaller than it has turned out to be.

Still, let's blame the federal government because it is to blame for everything.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I believe the industry has professional clean up crews who are responsible for being first responders at an oil spill.

Additionally, I think it took a day or two to determine the extent of the leak. Initially, BP thought it was much smaller than it has turned out to be.

Still, let's blame the federal government because it is to blame for everything.
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I agree it's petty but oh my how the tune changes when a democrat is in office during a disaster.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I believe the industry has professional clean up crews who are responsible for being first responders at an oil spill.

Additionally, I think it took a day or two to determine the extent of the leak. Initially, BP thought it was much smaller than it has turned out to be.

Still, let's blame the federal government because it is to blame for everything.
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Why in the world would any one blame the righteous gov't?
 
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"Deepwater Horizon Well Failed Key Test"

Clearly no one could imagine that something might go wrong. Thus I blame Obama and the eco-terrorists.

By the way, here's a picture of what crystals clogging up a pipe (as in the dome plan) look like.

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Actually, I heard a good point yesterday on NPR. After the blowout, not much attention was given to controlling the fire. If the fire had been put out earlier, the rig would have not sunken and the pipe not broken. In the story yesterday, it seemed everybody thought it was someone else's responsibility to extinguish the fire.
 
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i very much doubt that the fire wasn't taken seriously. maybe not prioritized, but i doubt it didn't go unattended because people were passing the buck.
 
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MG1968 said:
guess you didn't bother to read the part of the article where someone from the Sierra Club agrees with Sarah.
and so what if Todd worked there for 18 years? Does your wife (or significant other) blindly support the company you work for just because you work there?
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So what?

I doubt there is any concern at BP over what Sarah Palin has to say about them.
 
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I've been reading discussion elsewhere (including people purportedly in the industry) and they haven't given much, if any, weight to a negligent firefighting theory.

I'm sure that in hindsight people might have done things differently. But my sense is that its akin to saying the NYFD is at fault for the World Trade Center collapsing because it didn't put the fires out fast enough.

Besides, there were people missing after the explosion which probably hindered efforts.
 
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It just keeps getting better and better.

In the days after an oil well spun out of control in the Gulf of Mexico, BP engineers tried to activate a huge piece of underwater safety equipment but failed because the device had been so altered that diagrams BP got from the equipment's owner didn't match the supposedly failsafe device's configuration, congressional investigators said Wednesday.
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It's always interesting watching how investigators piece together what actually happened after a disaster.

Here it seems to be coming together quickly, whereas some airline crashes and the like take months.

I saw yesterday that a MM overseer admitted that he had not actually inspected some of the equipment--he simply relied on a company assurance.

Plenty of blame to go all around. Unfortunately for BP, it's at the top of the food chain and has the deepest pockets.
 
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they seem to be more at blame than Haliburton or Transocean and yes they have the deep pockets. i think we've seen a situation where these guys have gotten away with not following protocal and cutting corners for a while and it hasn't caught up to them till now. easy to see how this happens with a multi year good safety record.
 
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