Okay I was a bit harsh on Dooley.....

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sjt18 said:
You are right on both accounts. Would have been an amazing whiff to have lost that many great players with ties to UT.

I wonder if Dooley stopped recruiting on Fridays or never did?


Thanks for expressing the sentiment others did... but objectively and respectfully.
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I just speak my mind and get straight to the point.:good!:
 
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sjt18 said:
The interesting thing about that is when I was unwilling to post the negatives I saw because I was convinced it would hurt the team if posters en masse were negative... some of the people upset with me now were "liking" my posts and praising my "reason".

You are a special case... don't be a coward by trying to hide in a crowd.

I don't remember ever having a problem with Gahlee. He took offence and took a shot. That's fine. It happens. For him to become you... that would have to become his mission. Hopefully it won't.
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Lol. When I say sjt is pretentious, I'm wrong because it's only me that brings it out in him. When several people think he's pretentious, I'm wrong because I'm "hiding in a crowd."

Why is there a crowd?

And his comeback is "he doesn't think I'm pretentious, he liked my post one time." Smh.

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sjt18 said:
You are right on both accounts. Would have been an amazing whiff to have lost that many great players with ties to UT.

I wonder if Dooley stopped recruiting on Fridays or never did?


Thanks for expressing the sentiment others did... but objectively and respectfully.
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He had to be home with the fam. I get that but don't be a coach if you want that.
 
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bUTchLookin4Dimez said:
Dooley sucked, but he was the only one that would take the job at the time. He did it for all the wrong reasons though. He knew a big payday was to be had and he played Hamilton like a drum. He cared nothing for UT just like the guy before him. To say he'd trade all his money for an 8 win season a couple years ago is plain ignorant. He hated it here.
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The Orange pants disagree !!
 
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sjt18 said:
Some people have never held a position of responsibility nor observed someone in that kind of position sinking. It produces a level of stress most of you will never know. It is humiliating and crushes a person's ego completely. Different people react differently but virtually all will enter a stage of deep depression. Dooley's behavior is consistent with someone trapped in depression created by a massive personal failure.

He's not the devil and, no, not even if he lashed out at people around him. He's just a guy who was not up to the job, had everything go wrong against him that could, and was completely swallowed up by failure.
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thankx Dr. Phil
 
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sjt18 said:
But are a fan of the junk that preceded it? As far as I know, I've never had issues with you... or taken personal shots at you.
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You're defending Derek Dooley, so you should fully expect a backlash. You're also multiplying said backlash by going the high and mighty route.

Derek Dooley was an awful head coach and by many accounts a piece of trash when it came to how he treated people. If you want to defend that, go ahead and just like Dooley, you'll be ridiculed, and deservedly so.
 
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sjt18 said:
The interesting thing about that is when I was unwilling to post the negatives I saw because I was convinced it would hurt the team if posters en masse were negative... some of the people upset with me now were "liking" my posts and praising my "reason".

You are a special case... don't be a coward by trying to hide in a crowd.

I don't remember ever having a problem with Gahlee. He took offence and took a shot. That's fine. It happens. For him to become you... that would have to become his mission. Hopefully it won't.
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Somebody take the shovel from this guy.
 
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sjt18 said:
And for what little it might be worth... no one forced either of you to read my "pretentious ramblings". I responded in a very specific context to an issue. But if some of you DO in fact have experience with the pain and shame of failing in a position of significant responsibility and STILL think it is the right thing to have people mock and attack you... then I'd like to hear about it. Or maybe you've been through a nasty divorce where friends and family of the spouse feel compelled to take shots at you. Or maybe you've had an experience like Peterman last fall where you failed badly for the whole world to see... Why don't we all just gang up and post endlessly about how bad Nate is? In fact, why don't we keep doing it just for fun after he's long gone?
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Everybody fails at some point. Not everyone gets paid 11 million to do it. You're feeling sorry for a coward.
 
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Its just hard to argue with the statistics.

Win record of .417
0 wins against ranked teams.
Winless against SEC teams in Oct.
2-14 against SEC in his last two years.

Landed CDD as the number 1 worst coach at a large school ever. I am not attacking him personally, but as a professional he failed miserably at his job.

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I was extremely disappointed with the Kentucky loss, however as bad as it was the entire 2012 season was more disappointing to me personally than the Kentucky loss.

The offense on the 2012 team was National Championship caliper. If the defense had been even half way decent that was a 10 win football team, if the defense had been as strong as Alabama's then we would have been National Championship contenders.


To critical of the professional Derrick Dooley nope the statistics speak for themselves. To critical of Derrick Dooley the person, very few on VolNation can really say as I would bet very few know him on a personal level.


Will I apologize for being critical of Derrick Dooley professional football coach absolutely not, the numbers speak for themselves. I genuinely hope he lands another college football job very soon, I am hearing rumors that Florida may need a replacement coach soon, and I would happily send him to them.
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
Its just hard to argue with the statistics.

Win record of .417
0 wins against ranked teams.
Winless against SEC teams in Oct.
2-14 against SEC in his last two years.

Landed CDD as the number 1 worst coach at a large school ever. I am not attacking him personally, but as a professional he failed miserably at his job.

College Football


I was extremely disappointed with the Kentucky loss, however as bad as it was the entire 2012 season was more disappointing to me personally than the Kentucky loss.

The offense on the 2012 team was National Championship caliper. If the defense had been even half way decent that was a 10 win football team, if the defense had been as strong as Alabama's then we would have been National Championship contenders.


To critical of the professional Derrick Dooley nope the statistics speak for themselves. To critical of Derrick Dooley the person, very few on VolNation can really say as I would bet very few know him on a personal level.


Will I apologize for being critical of Derrick Dooley professional football coach absolutely not, the numbers speak for themselves. I genuinely hope he lands another college football job very soon, I am hearing rumors that Florida may need a replacement coach soon, and I would happily send him to them.
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Dooley was actually 1-14 in the SEC his last two years. Pathetic.
 
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Sorry I just pulled the numbers from the article I linked too. I am assuming the writer of the article just looked at the win/loss record for 2012, if I remember CDD didn't coach the final KY that year.
 
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I felt like he got a bad rap at first.. directly after he was fired. Had the same attitude.. He tried his best, he just failed.. no reason to dislike the guy for coming up short..

And then I started to hear all the stories about his attitude towards fans... the way he recruited or lack there of. The way he treated certain former players. And so on...

Those stories are what have made me hate him with the passion of a thousand suns.

Try your best and fail is fine, everyone comes up short sometimes.. as long as you gave it everything you had then I can at least still respect you. But CDD did not do that..you could make a strong argument that he purposefully sabotaged the program.

So sorry... but what CDD did was not acceptable.. the fact we still have to pay him after his performance is close to a tragedy. I did my best to support that guy, but when you work for a place for 3 years and have absolutely ZERO positive impact. Then you deserve everything you get.
 
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I don't feel it's necessary to explore the ways this guy failed the program. The fact that he failed and failed miserably is enough for me. Hopefully CBJ gets this program to winning quickly where we can quit focusing on the failures of the past and look to the future.
 
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You can never be to harsh about Dooley's "tenure". He should have never been hired and the smart posters and players who left when he was hired knew it. He was a loser before he came and a big loser here. He hurt the program more than Fulmer and Kiffin combined.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Sjt your refusal to acknowledge any of the positives that Butch and his staf have accomplished is the main thing that bothers me.

Dooley and Jones did not walk into the same job.

Dooley inherited a team 3 seasons removed from the SECCG and coming off of a winning season.

Jones inherited a team that had learned how to lose - 3 seasons in a row with a losing record. Zero wins against ranked teams. Broke the winning streak vs Kentucky. Dooley's teams got worse each year. 2012 was an abomination - hiring Sunseri shows how out of his depth Dooley really was - results were inexcusable based on the offensive weapons that team possessed. His teams simply knew how to quit. - they learned from him (see Mizzou 4th qtr 2012)
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Very well said. I firmly believe that Dooley's worst mark left on this team was the damage he did to the culture, to the psyche. Throw in a lot of slow, less athletic players and you get a very bad situation and total rebuild that Butch found himself in. He took over a worse situation than Dooley did IMO.
 
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