Okay I was a bit harsh on Dooley.....

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There have been many horror stories in the recruiting forum about how the recruitments of high profile in-state players such as Jalen Hurd, Josh Malone, Derek Barnett, Vonn Bell and even Todd Kelly JR were being half-assed by Dooley and how HS coaches hated him and thought he was pompous and smug. There is no excuse for that. I held a job that I was not qualified for right out of college and although I was in way over my head with duties I could not perform, I still worked my ass off and tried...Dooley didn't even try and probably wanted to be fired at the end. That merits harsh criticism.
 
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sjt18 said:
Waiting to see... Recruiting was admirable the first year, great the second, and currently is tracking to be "average" in the 3rd.

The coaching last fall looked downright bad at times. It wasn't just players lacking physical ability but them not understanding where they should be, failing to play assignments, and not showing evidence of being up on opponent tendencies. My HOPE is that part of last fall was part of a strategy to turn the program around... but until that happens it is wise to wait and see.
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15 class average?
 
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EconVol92 said:
Dooley was in over his head as head coach at the very least. Everything I hear second hand from people who were around him is not good.

In retrospect we should have hired an interim head coach and taken a year to do a search after Lane bolted.
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The interim label would have been an albatross on Kippy Brown, whom I assume you were referring to...Dooley...for better or worse...salvaged that recruiting class. We would have been forced to give Kippy at least a three year contract and hope he was the answer. Bad as we think we had it with Dooley, that idea would have set us back even further IMO.
 
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BearCat204 said:
This is pretty funny
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Almost as funny as people who lack the life experience to sympathize with someone who fails like that.

Yeah... and it is tempting to wish that someone like you at some point will experience that kind of failure and public humiliation. I'm sure you'll handle it so much better and will love it when people kick you while you're down. That's such a classy thing to do, you know?

Dooley failed. The non-sense being spewed here says a lot more about the people posting it than it does Dooley.

As far as I know... he hasn't taken public shots at UT, the AD, the staff, the players, or even the fans. Has he? Seems he's showing a good bit more class than many of you.
 
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sjt18 said:
Waiting to see... Recruiting was admirable the first year, great the second, and currently is tracking to be "average" in the 3rd.

The coaching last fall looked downright bad at times. It wasn't just players lacking physical ability but them not understanding where they should be, failing to play assignments, and not showing evidence of being up on opponent tendencies. My HOPE is that part of last fall was part of a strategy to turn the program around... but until that happens it is wise to wait and see.
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This is just wrong, according to every ranking it's in the top ten...and still with (hopefully) Richmond, Tuttle, Jefferson to come. The '15 class is going great.
 
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sjt18 said:
Almost as funny as people who lack the life experience to sympathize with someone who fails like that.

Yeah... and it is tempting to wish that someone like you at some point will experience that kind of failure and public humiliation. I'm sure you'll handle it so much better and will love it when people kick you while you're down. That's such a classy thing to do, you know?

Dooley failed. The non-sense being spewed here says a lot more about the people posting it than it does Dooley.

As far as I know... he hasn't taken public shots at UT, the AD, the staff, the players, or even the fans. Has he? Seems he's showing a good bit more class than many of you.
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I am sure part on his separation agreement and for monies owed that no comments about his former employer are allowed... He gets is money and keeps his mouth shut
 
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sjt18 said:
Almost as funny as people who lack the life experience to sympathize with someone who fails like that.

Yeah... and it is tempting to wish that someone like you at some point will experience that kind of failure and public humiliation. I'm sure you'll handle it so much better and will love it when people kick you while you're down. That's such a classy thing to do, you know?

Dooley failed. The non-sense being spewed here says a lot more about the people posting it than it does Dooley.

As far as I know... he hasn't taken public shots at UT, the AD, the staff, the players, or even the fans. Has he? Seems he's showing a good bit more class than many of you.
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Lol, you have a great imagination and are waist deep in assumptions. I am humbled to be in the presence of someone with such great life experiences. I just wish I could have half the experiences you have had. Thank you for setting me straight.
 
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Biopsyman said:
15 class average?
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It is almost full with a 3.27 "star avg". Let's be optimistic and say that they fill the last 4 spots with 4* players. That makes the avg 3.38. Last year that would have landed UT between 12th and 20th nationally and around 7th or 8th in the SEC.

In another conference, that's dominant. In the SEC... it is average.
 
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Dooley deserves everything he gets...

But people who knock players are not vols, If this was my site. Attacking a player in any way would be an automatic 2 week ban... do it again, and your perma banned.

JMHO
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lol, you have a great imagination and are waist deep in assumptions. I am humbled to be in the presence of someone with such great life experiences. I just wish I could have half the experiences you have had. Thank you for setting me straight.
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I do too. Maybe you'd have a little more class when reacting to the painful failures of other people.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is almost full with a 3.27 "star avg". Let's be optimistic and say that they fill the last 4 spots with 4* players. That makes the avg 3.38. Last year that would have landed UT between 12th and 20th nationally and around 7th or 8th in the SEC.

In another conference, that's dominant. In the SEC... it is average.
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Nobody refers to our recruiting as average but you....Sorry
 
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Biopsyman said:
I am sure part on his separation agreement and for monies owed that no comments about his former employer are allowed... He gets is money and keeps his mouth shut
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He's no longer under that agreement, is he? I doubt any such agreement would be extended to fans or media.
 
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sjt18 said:
So far, Rivals is. Yes I know where the point totals currently show them but it won't hold up as other teams round out their classes.
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Rivals is the one that has McKenzie rated as a 4 star?... And Dormady a 2 star? :blink:
 
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sjt18 said:
On this particular thing... I'm doing much better than you.
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Please point out where I have trashed Dooley. I'll wait, and while you're doing that, continue to talk down to the entire board like you're a saint or something. Dooley was a very poor people person and it was part of his ultimate failure here. He was really bad with relationships and it was very clear that he would not last long early on. So please spare us the whole speech, because frankly you are just talking out of your ass again.
 
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Sorry sjt, I usually agree with you, but I can't agree with you about this whole "Painful failures" business. Dooley got paid alot of money to pretend he was a big time football coach. I'm sure he would have rather succeeded, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't get alot out of the whole deal. We can't know what goes in the mind of others or what all of their hardships may be. But you look at the situation and see something painful. I look at it and see a rich kid who got paid handsomely to play big time football coach fantasy camp for 3 years. Unless we know for a fact what it was like, I think we have to consider both perspectives equally valid.

What is known is that the guy completely failed at his job and left town with a huge buyout and a tough rebuilding job for the next guy to deal with. I think the criticism is warranted and is even necessary to keep fresh in our minds, lest we continue to repeat history (remember the thread last week where someone here was calling for a big raise/contract extension for our new coach after one mediocre year?).
 
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We hired a name...Dooley. He was 4-8/8-5(with bowl loss)/5-7. At the same time Butch Jones was 8-5(con champ)/8-5/12-2(con champ bowl win good ranking). Just think were we might be now if we had hired him instead. I hope we never hire another coach in any sport on name only.
 
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sjt18 said:
Waiting to see... Recruiting was admirable the first year, great the second, and currently is tracking to be "average" in the 3rd.

The coaching last fall looked downright bad at times. It wasn't just players lacking physical ability but them not understanding where they should be, failing to play assignments, and not showing evidence of being up on opponent tendencies. My HOPE is that part of last fall was part of a strategy to turn the program around... but until that happens it is wise to wait and see.
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You are one of the worst around here... all you do is talk shat, when it is so painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to coach or play football.

And this post of yours just proves my point.. Great the 2nd and average the third? When we are actually ahead in recruiting compared to where we were last year at this point.

And then we get to the second part of the post, its wrong in so many ways that its not even worth pointing any of it out. Because it is like trying to explain what a color is to someone who was born blind.

I would ask you to stop trying to troll people around here with posts like this, but then that would be like trying to convince a crack head not to smoke it when they are in a warehouse filled to the top with the best crack in the world.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is just wrong, according to every ranking it's in the top ten...and still with (hopefully) Richmond, Tuttle, Jefferson to come. The '15 class is going great.
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Do the math. The lowest star avg to make Rivals' top 10 in the last three years while signing less than 30 players was 3.56. To go from 3.27 to 3.56 assuming a 26 player class UT has to finish its class with four 4* players then have 6 or 7 players get a bump.

It is possible but very unlikely.

Again, this isn't "negative"... this is just math.
 
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sjt18 said:
So far, Rivals is. Yes I know where the point totals currently show them but it won't hold up as other teams round out their classes.
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You don't know how our class is going to round out either. This is taking star gazing to an extreme. Rivals has Dormady as a 2* and yet he had an offer from Alabama. Richmond and Tuttle are 5* and not just realistic but it looks likely to in Tenn's class.
 
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