Okay I was a bit harsh on Dooley.....

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fade route said:
Thank you for your service to our country, and I honestly mean that. However, blowing your own horn over your career accomplishments on a message board usually doesn't end well. Good luck.
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You know. You're a good guy. I'll change it.
 
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sjt18 said:
If Dormady gets 4* from Rivals and UT gets both Richmond and Tuttle and UT rounds out the other slots with 4*... then they'll be close. But without several other players getting bumps, they'll only be on the margin of top 10 (8-12).

BTW, in all this the fact cannot be lost that with great coaching this class could be full of championship caliber players or conversely with poor coaching even some of the great talents could flop.
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Still waiting on someone to show the math that makes it likely that the '15 class ends up in the top 5 nationally or top 3 or 4 in the SEC.

It won't bother me at all to be wrong. The math just doesn't work the way it looks right now.
 
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Freak said:
This. I always felt like Dooley took the wrong approach in the way he treated players, considering his resume.
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Not only players, but staff, HS coaches, pretty much everyone he came across professionally.
 
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sjt18 said:
Aside for having played and coached on teams at lower levels that won championships, having commanded a decorated military unit, receiving early promotion in the military for merit, and running a very successful business in a HIGHLY competitive industry... you are probably right. (I didn't offer... you asked.)

All it proves is that you either can't do or have not applied simple math in the context of the history of the rankings. UT may finish its class with four 4*. It is unlikely that Rivals gives bumps to the other 6 or 7 players it will take for UT to break the top 10 or the top 4 in the SEC.

I'm sorry math and history offend you.

Translation. It makes you angry, you can't answer it, so you handwave and pretend it isn't worth your effort to try. That tactic is worn... and cowardly.


I haven't "trolled" anyone in the 9 years I've been here. I give honest opinions based in the facts I know... right or wrong... I don't just throw stuff out to enjoy hysterics.
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This whole post is a troll...unless your about to post your entire military record on volnation you cant prove any of what you said. But commanding a military unit has nothing to do with coaching in the SEC, besides having leadership skills. Which is one very small part of the equation.

Also if you truly did have all that experience, you would not be such an arse to people with differing opinions then you. As part of leadership is to accept and understand other peoples point of view and use that incorporated into your own actions. When you are more of the type that says your point of view is the only correct one. Successful commanders and business owners do not operate that way, or they would not stay in those positions very long.

The day you can make me angry over a post on a message board is the day I quite the internet all together .

And to say you do not troll when instead of having an actual discussion all you do is put people down and make fun of them is laughable at best. Making fun of other people and passing opinions off as facts (I.E. your math and history coward comment) are not valid debate tactics.

They are however the common tactics used by trolls and bullies. So go ahead and try to convince yourself you never troll. Your actions say otherwise.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Who sees Jones as turning program around?
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I have no doudt that he and his staff will get this turned around BUT I will feel much better once (1) We keep Thighpen (2) Once bUTch has offers from other universities and he turns them down. If he turns down other programs, then I am sure that he will remain here.
 
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sjt18 said:
How much solace would you feel if you were publicly humiliated and fired and got a 3 year severance at your current salary? Or do you really and truly believe that money in and of itself buys happiness and contentment?
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I believe money is an enabler. It provides you freedom to do what you want in life. Sports and Business are similar with contracts. CEO's/Coaches get fired all the time, usually with a severance. Nobody is hired to do a bad job, but if its over and money is owed.. Then get paid and move on. Dooley happened to get a chunk to go away, most are unhappy that he gets it but those were the terms.
 
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sjt18 said:
Still waiting on someone to show the math that makes it likely that the '15 class ends up in the top 5 nationally or top 3 or 4 in the SEC.

It won't bother me at all to be wrong. The math just doesn't work the way it looks right now.
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Maybe not top 5 but id say its a safe bet to end up in the top 10 on Rivals at least and thats with giving a scholarship to a long snapper and punter. The one thing i like about Butch is that he sticks to his system and finds recruits that fit his system and also fills position of need.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is almost full with a 3.27 "star avg". Let's be optimistic and say that they fill the last 4 spots with 4* players. That makes the avg 3.38. Last year that would have landed UT between 12th and 20th nationally and around 7th or 8th in the SEC.

In another conference, that's dominant. In the SEC... it is average.
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McKenzie alone changes the entire trajectory of our defense the next three years. This class is badass and player for player on par with last year's class (excluding the specialists in this class). If Tuttle joins the d-line this will be arguably the best d-line class Tennessee has ever pulled (I remember the late 90's and early 2000's lines). The players we are bringing in now have entirely different offer lists than the last two Dooley classes. We are winning head to head recruiting battles with the teams we play now.
 
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thebjd said:
McKenzie alone changes the entire trajectory of our defense the next three years. This class is badass and player for player on par with last year's class (excluding the specialists in this class). If Tuttle joins the d-line this will be arguably the best d-line class Tennessee has ever pulled (I remember the late 90's and early 2000's lines). The players we are bringing in now have entirely different offer lists than the last two Dooley classes. We are winning head to head recruiting battles with the teams we play now.
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If Tuttle comes.. That means that one of the DE is always got a 1 or 1 match up.. Good for us!
 
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thebjd said:
McKenzie alone changes the entire trajectory of our defense the next three years. This class is badass and player for player on par with last year's class (excluding the specialists in this class). If Tuttle joins the d-line this will be arguably the best d-line class Tennessee has ever pulled (I remember the late 90's and early 2000's lines). The players we are bringing in now have entirely different offer lists than the last two Dooley classes. We are winning head to head recruiting battles with the teams we play now.
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But? 1+1=2? :blink :
 
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All this talk about Dooley who made millions from his sorry effort is tedious . Jones and his crew are good recruiters. If the results on the field improve recruiting will only improve. The thing I note about this crew is they are good at locating talent and other big names jump on the band wagon once Tennessee offers. I still haven't heard the story on how they found Von Pearson at Feather River CC in Quincy, CA must have one heck of a network.
 
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sjt18 said:
How much solace would you feel if you were publicly humiliated and fired and got a 3 year severance at your current salary? Or do you really and truly believe that money in and of itself buys happiness and contentment?
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He didn't earn most of the salary he was paid prior to the buyout
 
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#92
The Dooley era should be wiped clean from TN history. Might as well throw in Lame kiffin as well
 
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Sadly I had heard by the middle of his first season that he was a pompous control freak (no pun intended poobah) from someone whose sister worked directly with him. They told me then he was majorly out of balance with his personality and it would end badly. I had a hard time believing it but it sure seems consistent with everything I've heard since.
Dooley did himself 0 favors with fans, alumni, letterman, players, or coaches. In that regard he deserves little sympathy. Whether he was doing it all intentionally or not he was callous to many.
 
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I try not to be hard on people, but I think D@*^&%^$ should have to serve time for trying to impersonate a head coach & taking wages under false pretenses.
 
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#97
People put their frustration at the wrong place. The guy to be most pissed at is Hamilton. He'd been careening from ditch to ditch with UT athletics for years by the time he picked Dooley. We went from a brash hotshot western California guy to an arrogant genteel blue blood.

Most won't admit it but many want/miss the positive qualities of Fulmer. Butch brings a lot of them.



Blue collar
Approachable demeanor
Player buy in
open door
Respect for all things UT
 
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sjt18 said:
Some people have never held a position of responsibility nor observed someone in that kind of position sinking. It produces a level of stress most of you will never know. It is humiliating and crushes a person's ego completely. Different people react differently but virtually all will enter a stage of deep depression. Dooley's behavior is consistent with someone trapped in depression created by a massive personal failure.

He's not the devil and, no, not even if he lashed out at people around him. He's just a guy who was not up to the job, had everything go wrong against him that could, and was completely swallowed up by failure.
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This is a great post. Thank you. You should submit to Wikipedia for listing under yr 2010-2012 of his bio.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Who sees Jones as turning program around?
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Im going to say Jones and staff have already turned our Vols around and this season will be gaining momentum on the path back to relevance. A bowl game invite and a win will gel this team back into the BIG ORANGE that our SEC foes once highlighted on their schedules. 2015 Im thinking theyll shift gears and regain the swagger. By the time of the Battle at Bristol in 2016 ,well, needless to say, Im excited about our direction! GBO ~~~ VFL
 
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#100
^this

Never wanted to see CPF go and the four yrs following have been the worst I've ever endured as a vol fan. Though I wasn't completely sold on CBJ at first, seeing those qualities in him have.
 
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