Oklahoma hospital shooting

[OHvol40]

The majority of homicides don’t involve guns.

What is the most common method?

 

[whodeycin85]

Man Barricades Himself In Los Angeles Hospital After Mass Stabbing Attack, Police Say

Multiple victims are reportedly in critical condition at a Los Angeles area hospital after a man went on a stabbing spree before barricading himself inside.

“Reports of multiple people stabbed at Encino Hospital,” the Los Angeles Police Department said in a statement. “The suspect is believed to be contained in a room within the hospital. There is a large police presence.”

All the victims are medical staff—one doctor and two nurses—and are believed to be in critical condition, and have been transported to a trauma center.

Man Barricades Himself In Los Angeles Hospital After Mass Stabbing Attack, Police Say | The Daily Wire

Take away knives!!!! Need more knife laws

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You believe they are?

Do you think most people who commit homicides are legal gun owners?

 

[Vol8188]

You believe they are?

I believe their responsibility nor lack of responsibility as a gun owner is related to homicide. It’s a nonsense argument and you know it

 

[Orangeslice13]

What share of all murders and suicides in the U.S. involve a gun?

Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 – 24,292 out of 45,979 – involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Try that again without the political spin.
Homicide instead of murder. And get rid of that 60% suicide number.

 

[Orangeslice13]

What is the most common method?

Drunk people in cars.

 

[Septic]

Try that again without the political spin.
Homicide instead of murder. And get rid of that 60% suicide number.

What was the political spin? I copied and pasted a pew research statistic without commentary.

The suicide bit was included in the text as it was written. If you wish to cite a source that contradicts that statistic of nearly 8 in 10 murders are by way of fire arms - by all means do.

With regards to the term homicide versus murder, you're attempting to make a distinction without difference in this discussion and I'm sure you know that. The national discussion is about guns and murders, if you're trying to make a point about legal homicides via firearms - lol, why?

 

[Orangeslice13]

What was the political spin? I copied and pasted a pew research statistic without commentary

Stopped reading here
I said something about apples. And you responded with fruit salad.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Murder rates in England are similar to that in the states.
But at least in England they don’t kill with guns.
That’s the stupidity of the gun grabbing argument. Let’s blame the tool instead of trying to resolve the actual problem.

One of my online friends from the cancer survivor group, who lives in England, was bitching to me last night about “knife control “ and “knife grabbers”. I **** you not the stupidity never ends.

 

[Septic]

Stopped reading here
I said something about apples. And you responded with fruit salad.

I'd wave off if I were you too. You were clearly attempting to conflate "cause of death" with "homicide."

By the way, the rest of us are talking about fruit salad. Here's a bowl of it for you.

Guns Became the Leading Cause of Death for American Children and Teens in 2020

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'd wave off if I were you too. You were clearly attempting to conflate "cause of death" with "homicide."

Stopped reading
This is what you do. Move the goalposts and then accuse others of conflicting things.
I’ve stayed on topic as I first stated it. You’re wandering around throwing **** at the wall hoping to move the conversation.
But either way a comparison with other countries shows that removing guns does almost nothing to change the homicide rates.

 

[hog88]

Gun ownership isn’t a problem, responsible gun operation (or lack-there-of) is.

So we’re back to It being a people problem.

 

[hog88]

Try that again without the political spin.
Homicide instead of murder. And get rid of that 60% suicide number.

Then what would he have?

 

[Vol8188]

What is the most common method?

Why is gun ownership rate not associated with homicide rate?

If the guns are the problem shouldn’t white Americans have higher homicide rates? Shouldn’t South Dakota have a high homicide rate? Shouldn’t Maryland have a low homicide rate?

 

[Septic]

Then what would he have?

What was the spin? I cited a verifiable statistic without commentary.

The irony is that the only folks trying to spin that firearms aren't the number one cause of murder are accusing others of it.

 

[Septic]

Why is gun ownership rate not associated with homicide rate?

If the guns are the problem shouldn’t white Americans have higher homicide rates? Shouldn’t South Dakota have a high homicide rate? Shouldn’t Maryland have a low homicide rate?

States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds - CNN

 

[Septic]

Stopped reading
This is what you do. Move the goalposts and then accuse others of conflicting things.
I’ve stayed on topic as I first stated it. You’re wandering around throwing **** at the wall hoping to move the conversation.
But either way a comparison with other countries shows that removing guns does almost nothing to change the homicide rates.

Bullsh*t, you stated something ridiculous and hoped no one would notice.

If you can show a single verifiable statistic that shows drunk drivers are the number one cause of homicides, I'll capitulate.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Then what would he have?

Absolutely nothing

 

[Orangeslice13]

Why is gun ownership rate not associated with homicide rate?

If the guns are the problem shouldn’t white Americans have higher homicide rates? Shouldn’t South Dakota have a high homicide rate? Shouldn’t Maryland have a low homicide rate?

It’s obvious the tool is the only problem

 

[Orangeslice13]

What was the spin? I cited a verifiable statistic without commentary.

The irony is that the only folks trying to spin that firearms aren't the number one cause of murder are accusing others of it.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Septic]

So we’re back to It being a people problem.

At some point the gun people and the anti gun people are going to need to stop talking past each other.

You're right, guns don't kill people by themselves - it's the nuts. And the anti-gun people have a point in that these nuts aren't killing hordes of children by throwing pillows at them. Both sides need to give and reconcile that there isn't a single viable solution to the problem and that it will need to be a multi faceted approach.

This thread is filled with hard lines in the sand and no body's willing to make a compromise - on a national level, this kind of worthless 'debate' will result in nothing - which means it's just a matter of time before the next school shooting by a crazy person.

 

[hog88]

What was the spin? I cited a verifiable statistic without commentary.

The irony is that the only folks trying to spin that firearms aren't the number one cause of murder are accusing others of it.

Guns are not the number one cause of murder.

 

[hog88]

At some point the gun people and the anti gun people are going to need to stop talking past each other.

You're right, guns don't kill people by themselves - it's the nuts. And the anti-gun people have a point in that these nuts aren't killing hordes of children by throwing pillows at them. Both sides need to give and reconcile that there isn't a single viable solution to the problem and that it will need to be a multi faceted approach.

This thread is filled with hard lines in the sand and no body's willing to make a compromise - on a national level, this kind of worthless 'debate' will result in nothing - which means it's just a matter of time before the next school shooting by a crazy person.

There is zero room to compromise on the 2A, none. If the anti-gun people want to limit or eliminate gun ownership then they need to start working on amending the 2A and stop trying to bastardize it. Until then no one should listen to anyone wanting to further regulate gun ownership through legislation or regulation. Compromise is dead until the ant-gunners realize it’s a people problem.

 

[Septic]

There is zero room to compromise on the 2A, none. If the anti-gun people want to limit or eliminate gun ownership then they need to start working on amending the 2A and stop trying to bastardize it. Until then no one should listen to anyone wanting to further regulate gun ownership through legislation or regulation. Compromise is dead until the ant-gunners realize it’s a people problem.

Then you're as much of a part of the problem as the people who ONLY want to gun grab. There should always be room for compromise - especially in a country full of unstable people with easy access to a preferred "tool" that is repeatedly used to mass murder children in a place where they should be the safest.

I'm a 2A "guy" I own a AR but I'm also rational enough to understand that while individuals may be safe, competent, and responsible - as a society we are very clearly not.

I wonder how many parents of murdered children in the mass shootings were "no compromise 2a" before their world was shattered.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

The gun control side lost this battle a long time ago. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. There are probably over 15 million ARs alone (not to mention AKs and all the other centerfire semi-auto rifles). Good luck reducing that number to any appreciable degree.

Deal with it.