Oklahoma Prez Thinks Big XII Should Expand

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butchna said:
They win a conference championship game and they're in IMO...especially if the opponent's TCU...conversely the same for TCU. Ohio State snuck in last year...benefitting from THEIR conference championship game. There was still a shred of doubt after Cardale Jones stellar performance whether Ohio State was better or not.
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Even with as much of an issue as fluidity was in the selection committee's CFP weekly rankings, from Nov. 18 onward (the last four CFP rankings) Ohio State stayed ahead of Baylor.

It was also pretty much said from the beginning that a team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Actually, one of the selection committee members - Tom Jernstedt - even said such well before this had started:

"Strength of schedule will become such an important factor," he predicted, "that if you want to be under consideration, you need to have a more meaningful schedule than perhaps you've had in previous years.
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I get arguing it for TCU, though, were such game in place (since it appears that the reason for TCU's tumble at the end - besides how fluid the CFP rankings are - was that they weren't the Big 12 conference champions...though they could also have still been hurt by the Big 12 not being so great).
 
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The new AD at USF has bluntly said that his goal is to upgrade the athletics program (especially football) so that we can move to a Power Conference. Although he didn't name the conference, it was obvious he was talking about the Big 12. He views it as a race between USF and UCF for the next opening. I think he's right.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Even with as much of an issue as fluidity was in the selection committee's CFP weekly rankings, from Nov. 18 onward (the last four CFP rankings) Ohio State stayed ahead of Baylor.

It was also pretty much said from the beginning that a team's strength of schedule is one of the most pertinent considerations for the committee in making its selections. Actually, one of the selection committee members - Tom Jernstedt - even said such well before this had started:
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The backup QB angle was omnipresent before the Big 10 Championship, closer game and Ohio State doesn't get in...remember, they didn't exactly have a kick-ass schedule themselves. The winner of a TCU-Baylor rematch still gets the nod if you go by the residual chatter.
 
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butchna said:
School's banking on immediate NCAA decisions get left turned on their shells a lot.
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It's expected that the conference championship requirements are going to be relaxed by, at latest, 2016.

College football conference title game restrictions to be relaxed by 2016 - CBSSports.com


Just having a school in a market doesn't GIVE you that market. UCF jersey's ever going to supplant the Big 3 Florida schools? Or even register a blip? And Cincy apparel going to take a rack away from the Buckeyes?...Houston has an equal fanbase...rake that in and deposit.
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Wait, how is the latter's situation much different? The Big 12 is pretty much already seen as having the Houston market, especially by networks like ESPN and FOX when it comes to media contract negotiations for the conference.
 
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butchna said:
UCF and Cincy?
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But what difference do jersey sales make to a conference? The conference doesn't split merchandise money. So the fact that Houston might sell as much merch as any other team is absolutely irrelevant.

What matters is the television markets that a program can provide so that the network that buys the conference's media rights can be reasonably assured of getting on TV sets in that market. The Big XII already has the #1 team in the Houston market. Getting the team that is a distant third does nothing for increasing the value of the conference's media rights.

UCF might be a distant third in Orlando, but the Big XII doesn't have #1 or #2. Thus, there is value in acquiring #3. UC might be #2 in Cincinnati (they might be #3 behind Kentucky, honestly), but the Big XII doesn't have the big dog in the market. Thus, there is value. There is no value in adding the distant #3 in a given market if you already have #1.
 
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bamawriter said:
But what difference do jersey sales make to a conference? The conference doesn't split merchandise money. So the fact that Houston might sell as much merch as any other team is absolutely irrelevant.

What matters is the television markets that a program can provide so that the network that buys the conference's media rights can be reasonably assured of getting on TV sets in that market. The Big XII already has the #1 team in the Houston market. Getting the team that is a distant third does nothing for increasing the value of the conference's media rights.

UCF might be a distant third in Orlando, but the Big XII doesn't have #1 or #2. Thus, there is value in acquiring #3. UC might be #2 in Cincinnati (they might be #3 behind Kentucky, honestly), but the Big XII doesn't have the big dog in the market. Thus, there is value. There is no value in adding the distant #3 in a given market if you already have #1.
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If a team sell jerseys and increases that by joining your conference? The conference benefits. TCU and their jerseys cleans up and ticket sales and advertising follows...seen bigger crowds and hanger on types attending TCU-Baylor games...eventually going to have it at Jerry World.
I don't think having what amounts to a junior college in relevance to the other schools, give you ANY presence in the TV market. Have their present conferences cashed in?
The smart move is Houston...let UCF,USF, Cincy and Devry stick to their level. :)
 
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bamawriter said:
There is no value in adding the distant #3 in a given market if you already have #1.
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Eggzackery...there is no value in adding a DISTANT #4 or #5 in a given market...




Period. :yess:
 
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butchna said:
If a team sell jerseys and increases that by joining your conference?
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It helps the team selling the jerseys. They could increase jersey sales tenfold and it wouldn't mean an extra dime in the pockets of any of the new conference partners.

The conference benefits.
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The conference neither benefits, nor suffers, from any particular teams merchandise sales.

TCU and their jerseys cleans up and ticket sales and advertising follows...seen bigger crowds and hanger on types attending TCU-Baylor games...eventually going to have it at Jerry World.
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This is good for TCU, and I suppose good for Baylor if Baylor has increased interest because of the new rival. TCU and WVU were winners when it came to joining the Big XII. The other 8 members were huge losers because they lost more valuable partners than the two they gained.

I don't think having what amounts to a junior college in relevance to the other schools, give you ANY presence in the TV market. Have their present conferences cashed in?
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If ESPN, or Fox, or whoever is pursuing the Big XII's media rights can guarantee that Texas and Oklahoma will be getting prime real estate in the Orlando or Cincinnati markets, that is going to be much more valuable to that network than adding no new TV sets in Houston.

Think of it this way: If the SEC were forming in today's media environment as opposed to 1933, then there is very little chance that Vanderbilt would get an invite, and absolutely no chance that Auburn or Mississippi State would even be considered.
 
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bamawriter said:
It helps the team selling the jerseys. They could increase jersey sales tenfold and it wouldn't mean an extra dime in the pockets of any of the new conference partners.



The conference neither benefits, nor suffers, from any particular teams merchandise sales.



This is good for TCU, and I suppose good for Baylor if Baylor has increased interest because of the new rival. TCU and WVU were winners when it came to joining the Big XII. The other 8 members were huge losers because they lost more valuable partners than the two they gained.



If ESPN, or Fox, or whoever is pursuing the Big XII's media rights can guarantee that Texas and Oklahoma will be getting prime real estate in the Orlando or Cincinnati markets, that is going to be much more valuable to that network than adding no new TV sets in Houston.

Think of it this way: If the SEC were forming in today's media environment as opposed to 1933, then there is very little chance that Vanderbilt would get an invite, and absolutely no chance that Auburn or Mississippi State would even be considered.
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Disagree with you. You don't make any extra money by adding UCF or Cincy. There's history with UH from the Southwest Conference days...there will be actual interest in games played as opposed to apathy towards UCF or Cincy matchups. Your Vandy analogy did ring true about the caliber of UCF and Cincy...so I'll agree with you there playa. :thumbsup:
 
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bamawriter said:
Who is the distant #4 or #5 and in which market?
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UCF and/or USF is behind Florida,FSU and Miami in every Florida market...heard it here first. :victory:

Edit: And the SEC has staked it's claim on the Houston market...it had always gone back and forth between the Aggies and Horns. It would be safe to say it's possibly already a SEC town...Big 12 would be wise to add UH to get that market back over selling boots in Orlando and Cincy.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2015/5/8/8557151/texas-am-aggies-football-fans-houston-dallas-fort-worth-texas-longhorns
 
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butchna said:
"Not even close?" :lol: You're telling me that Hurricane shirts don't sell in Orlando? :huh:
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I have no idea what it's going to take to get you to understand that merchandise sales are irrelevant.

Miami makes a ton of money on merch sales. They do not sell tickets, home or away, and they don't get ratings unless they are playing Florida State or UF. People simply like the "U" imagery, but that doesn't make them fans.
 
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bamawriter said:
I have no idea what it's going to take to get you to understand that merchandise sales are irrelevant.

Miami makes a ton of money on merch sales. They do not sell tickets, home or away, and they don't get ratings unless they are playing Florida State or UF. People simply like the "U" imagery, but that doesn't make them fans.
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I guess you're saying that a Miami broadcast would be bumped for one of your two? Disagree with you.
 
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bamawriter said:
They wouldn't be on the same network, so the issue will never come up.
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Weak argument...they'll play at the same time IN THE SAME MARKET plenty of times in our natural lives. Would have to come up sometime...and when it does, Miami's the traditional power and UCF is UCF. :)
 
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bamawriter said:
I agree that if it's up to Texas alone (and it may be) then Houston could get an invite.

But I don't see how adding a fifth TX team makes the conference more money. It's splitting the pie without growing it.

BYU, Cincy, and UCF all make more fiscal sense.
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Meh... that is conventional wisdom, but I don't necessarily agree with it. At some point, it is going to come down to program content. If you don't have good, compelling games each week, it doesn't matter if the team is outside of Texas or not.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh... that is conventional wisdom, but I don't necessarily agree with it. At some point, it is going to come down to program content. If you don't have good, compelling games each week, it doesn't matter if the team is outside of Texas or not.
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Then explain why Boise St is still in the MWC.
 
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butchna said:
Weak argument...they'll play at the same time IN THE SAME MARKET plenty of times in our natural lives. Would have to come up sometime...and when it does, Miami's the traditional power and UCF is UCF. :)
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Over the past two seasons (all I bothered to look up), UCF rated worse than Miami on average in the Orlando and Tampa markets. But, with the FSU games removed, UCF rated 4 basis points higher in '13 and two basis points higher in '14.

In the Houston market, UH averaged 15% of Texas' ratings. Same time period. Rice was only slightly worse despite a worse broadcast package.
 
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