Oklahoma Prez Thinks Big XII Should Expand

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bamawriter said:
I gave you the ratings for the Houston market. That was the beginning of your arithmetical trainwreck. Numbers only help if you have some idea of what they mean.
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You said in that analysis that there was a 15% support for Texas...Longhorns right? Then how much support Rice pulls. Didn't see you running the A&M/LSU SEC numbers and how they've taken over. Houston joins the Big 12 and A&M still rules...maybe not by as wide a margin...better than jousting windmills in non Big 12 markets like Cincy and Orlando. :)
 
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butchna said:
Sure...so every fan in the former would watch a UCF game over a Miami game?
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maybe when UCF goes from playing UConn to Texas, or Kansas State. In texas you aren't going to get that big of a jump, they already watch the Big XII play. Florida doesn't.
 
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butchna said:
You said in that analysis that there was a 15% support for Texas...Longhorns right?
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Now I get it. It's not math that's your problem, it's reading comprehension. I'm going to quote what I actually said, and I'm betting that if you read it one more time, you'll understand why what you've been saying doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

bamawriter said:
In the Houston market, UH averaged 15% of Texas' ratings.
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LouderVol said:
maybe when UCF goes from playing UConn to Texas, or Kansas State. In texas you aren't going to get that big of a jump, they already watch the Big XII play. Florida doesn't.
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They still won't...watch the SEC or ACC with primo teams or...the Big 12...with UCF and Cincy. :unsure:...what to do what to do?
 
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bamawriter said:
Now I get it. It's not math that's your problem, it's reading comprehension. I'm going to quote what I actually said, and I'm betting that if you read it one more time, you'll understand why what you've been saying doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
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It might be your condescending attitude...or lack of flair...fake intellect...you lost your bet. :lol:

I'll simplify it for you. If UH joins the Big 12 and plays Big 12 teams, that will drum up interest in watching their freaking games and change that percentage. Not enough to overtake A&M, but enough to cash in on a larger market than Orlando or Cincy...markets that don't give a crap about the Big 12 ...and never will. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
I'll simplify it for you. If UH joins the Big 12 and plays Big 12 teams, that will drum up interest in watching their freaking games and change that percentage. Not enough to overtake A&M, but enough to cash in on a larger market than Orlando or Cincy...markets that don't give a crap about the Big 12 ...and never will. :hi:
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The Big 12 already has that market. There is no more cash to milk from it.

The Houston metro television market encompasses about 6.3 million people divided into 2.3 million TV-owning households. On an average football Saturday, roughly 300,000 of those households watch the University of Texas play football. On those same average football Saturdays, less than 45,000 of those households watch the University of Houston play football.

Now, one has to assume that there are some households that watch at least a decent portion of both Texas and UH games. Let's be very generous to the UH fanbase and assume that number is as low as 25% of UH viewers. That means that only 33,750 new households would be up for grabs if the Big XII were to add UH, and a network were to buy that conference's media rights.

And just to provide another interesting note:

The 2014 Houston-Central Florida game rated 14 basis points higher in Orlando than it did in Houston.
 
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bamawriter said:
The Big 12 already has that market. There is no more cash to milk from it.

The Houston metro television market encompasses about 6.3 million people divided into 2.3 million TV-owning households. On an average football Saturday, roughly 300,000 of those households watch the University of Texas play football. On those same average football Saturdays, less than 45,000 of those households watch the University of Houston play football.

Now, one has to assume that there are some households that watch at least a decent portion of both Texas and UH games. Let's be very generous to the UH fanbase and assume that number is as low as 25%. That means that only 33,750 new households would be up for grabs if a major conference were to add UH, and a network were to buy that conference's media rights.

And just to provide another interesting note:

The 2014 Houston-Central Florida game rated 14 basis points higher in Orlando than it did in Houston.
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Still keep dodging the fact that when a conference tries to stretch into a market that doesn't embrace it, everything tanks. Some say the death knell for the Big East was the failed TCU courtship, but the truth is they signed their death warrant when they ventured away from their natural basketball rival alliance and took the plunge into BCS oneupsmanship...the Houston market is in flux with A&M dominating... That won't change with UH joining the Big 12 but the numbers will shift enough to make it worthwhile. It's obtainable in a Big 12 area. Orlando and Cincy will never embrace the conference because UCF and Cincy are huge afterthoughts and there are no bandwagon contingents in those areas. UH hits a hot streak and a large amount of the populace will tune in to see what the fuss is all about...central Florida? They'll see what the Big 3 is up to.
 
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How will the numbers shift? The Big XII is already in the market. There are two Big XII teams within a three hour drive of Houston.

The LHN is already on the air in Houston. FS1, which has the Big XII rights, is on basic TV packages in Houston. If the Big XII gets their network off the ground, it will undoubtedly be included on basic packages in Houston. There is nothing that the University of Houston can do to help the Big XII's coverage in that market.

You know where those properties aren't currently available on the basic tiers? Orlando and Cincinnati.
 
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bamawriter said:
How will the numbers shift? The Big XII is already in the market. There are two Big XII teams within a three hour drive of Houston.

The LHN is already on the air in Houston. FS1, which has the Big XII rights, is on basic TV packages in Houston. If the Big XII gets their network off the ground, it will undoubtedly be included on basic packages in Houston. There is nothing that the University of Houston can do to help the Big XII's coverage in that market.

You know where those properties aren't currently available on the basic tiers? Orlando and Cincinnati.
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There's a reason they're not... no interest. :).
 
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butchna said:
There's a reason they're not... no interest. :).
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If UCF and UC were in the Big XII, there would increased interest in those markets for Big XII games.

Sort of like how Alabama's ratings spiked in Dallas in the past couple of years. Or Oregon's in Denver. Or Michigan's in Omaha. Or Georgia's in St Louis. Or UCLA's in Salt Lake City. Or Penn State's in Newark.

It's not possible to increase Houston's interest in any Big XII team. The Big XII has that market completely covered. The SEC has just as much motivation to add UH as the Big XII does: zero.
 
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bamawriter said:
If UCF and UC were in the Big XII, there would increased interest in those markets for Big XII games.

Sort of like how Alabama's ratings spiked in Dallas in the past couple of years. Or Oregon's in Denver. Or Michigan's in Omaha. Or Georgia's in St Louis. Or UCLA's in Salt Lake City. Or Penn State's in Newark.

It's not possible to increase Houston's interest in any Big XII team. The Big XII has that market completely covered. The SEC has just as much motivation to add UH as the Big XII does: zero.
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The Big 12 is second in Houston and falling...it's more important to reestablish there than be fourth in Orlando...and there's a reason that Cincy jumps at every invitation...their fanbase is meh. WVA was a mistake by the conference and adding lackluster teams would compound that. Their number crunchers might agree with you and act accordingly but it'll be a mistake. UH would be a seamless addition and that university had a presence in the Southwest Conference. They have great potential and natural rivalries that would benefit the conference.

I've lived in DFW for every 20 years...it's a sports melting pot. When LSU won their title, the town was purple. When Tennessee won my sports bar had to turn back new faces. Wouldn't hang my hat on that. :)
 
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butchna said:
The Big 12 is second in Houston and falling...
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And that cannot be remedied by adding the University of Houston to the conference. The only way for the Big XII to increase their ratings in any city in the state of Texas is for the University of Texas to start playing better football. Adding a school like Houston will not add a single dollar to the value of Big XII media rights, but would require splitting those rights up one more way, meaning everyone in the conference would make less money

And that's really what it comes down to:

Everyone in the conference would make less money.
 
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bamawriter said:
And that cannot be remedied by adding the University of Houston to the conference. The only way for the Big XII to increase their ratings in any city in the state of Texas is for the University of Texas to start playing better football. Adding a school like Houston will not add a single dollar to the value of Big XII media rights, but would require splitting those rights up one more way, meaning everyone in the conference would make less money

And that's really what it comes down to:

Everyone in the conference would make less money.
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UCF and Cincy won't add money...and you have to add gas expenses. :)
 
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butchna said:
UCF and Cincy won't add
money...
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I don't think they'd add enough to make the pie suitably bigger. Which is why I've said that I don't think the conference will expand. When the title game deregulation passes, there will be no incentive for the Big XII to expand unless they can get a Florida St, or a Clemson, or a Georgia Tech. And the ACC's grant of rights makes that impossible for the next decade and change.

and you have to add gas expenses. :)
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Adding Cincinnati would help bridge the gap between the nine western members and their colossal screw-up in Morgantown.
 
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bamawriter said:
I only speculate that Texas might rubber stamp adding Houston because Texas has more debt than God, and they are simply going to do what is best for themselves.

The thing Cincinnati has going for it is helping to bridge the geographic gap with West Virginia. Though it's highly likely that the other nine members don't give a wet fart what WV wants.
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fify

They can't even afford to send their marching band on the 90 mile drive to Waco in 2015.
 
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