Oklahoma Prez Thinks Big XII Should Expand

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bamawriter said:
Over the past two seasons (all I bothered to look up), UCF rated worse than Miami on average in the Orlando and Tampa markets. But, with the FSU games removed, UCF rated 4 basis points higher in '13 and two basis points higher in '14.

In the Houston market, UH averaged 15% of Texas' ratings. Same time period. Rice was only slightly worse despite a worse broadcast package.
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On the Houston note...that's because A&M (SEC) is cleaning out in that market...adding UH would help stave off the bleeding and add to the numbers. :thumbsup:
 
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I think this, as a previous poster said, is more about setting the stage for OU to exit the Big 12 than truly wanting to add more teams.

First, who can they add? BYU, UCF, USF, Cincinnati? Sure, but what do they truly bring? New TV markets, sure but the SEC could have added East Carolina, James Madison, and Houston and added markets. It has to be new TV markets along with Quality programs. Those 4 previously mentioned teams (aside from possibly BYU who has a whole other slew of issues) do not truly bring quality. Not the kind of quality to make the Big 12 comparable to the SEC, Big 10, or PAC.

Then there was Boren's shot at the LHN. Is Texas truly going to give that up so the Big 12 can have a conference network? No. They were willing to watch Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri ride off into the sunset to keep the LHN. They turned down the chance to join the PAC to keep the LHN. Are they really going to give it up now so the Big 12 can entice the likes of Cincinnati to join? No. Are they going to give that up to keep Iowa St, Kansas State happy? No. where are those schools going to go?

Then there is the issue of how happy the Sooner fans are with the current Big 12. Aside from the RRR, none of them like the fact their next biggest games are Baylor and TCU. Can you blame them? I would HATE to have that bad of a schedule every year. They know that if they could have unhitched their wagons from OK State, they could be in the PAC or SEC right now. Spend 5 minutes on a Sooner board and you will see how bad they hate their conference situation. And Boren shoulders all the blame.

This is posturing. Saying all the things he needs to say so that when asked he can say he did "all he could to save the Big 12" before jumping ship.
 
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82,

I pretty much agree with all that you wrote. In the end, it's all a non-issue when the title game deregulation passes. The Big XII will make a little more money off that game, and it won't be used against them for the CFP anymore.

OU will sit tight until the grant of rights expires, then it will shop around.
 
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butchna said:
Weak argument...they'll play at the same time IN THE SAME MARKET plenty of times in our natural lives. Would have to come up sometime...and when it does, Miami's the traditional power and UCF is UCF. :)
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Orlando and Miami are actually different television markets.

Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne is the 19th largest TV market in the country, and Miami-Ft.Lauderdale is the 16th.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh... that is conventional wisdom, but I don't necessarily agree with it. At some point, it is going to come down to program content. If you don't have good, compelling games each week, it doesn't matter if the team is outside of Texas or not.
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I'm not sure the Houston Cougars really provide too much more of that, either, though (if that was the implication).

But these realignment moves have been all about the millions of dollars more these conferences can get once the TV networks have to renegotiate their television contracts (well, and in the SEC's case, about creating a conference network that made each team somewhere between an extra $5-$6 million in revenue).
 
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TrueOrange said:
Orlando and Miami are actually different television markets.

Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne is the 19th largest TV market in the country, and Miami-Ft.Lauderdale is the 16th.
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Sure...so every fan in the former would watch a UCF game over a Miami game?
 
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butchna said:
I say it would...cool when neither side can really be proven right huh? :yahoo:
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Well, at least you realize that lol.




All that would come of it, though, would be a television contract negotiation where FOX and ESPN each said to the Big 12 "yeah, but your coverage in that market was already accounted for in your previous contract." All about the bargaining power (and the population size / TV sets), not really how many teams from a single conference cover the city/market.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Well, at least you realize that lol.




All that would come of it, though, would be a television contract negotiation where FOX and ESPN each said to the Big 12 "yeah, but your coverage in that market was already accounted for in your previous contract." All about the bargaining power (and the population size / TV sets), not really how many teams from a single conference cover the city/market.
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I'm sure the loss of A&M would factor in that discussion. When both Texas and A&M were part of the conference, they had a solid hold. The conference can't use that reasoning in their negotiations anymore...UH would help
 
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bamawriter said:
So, you're assuming that a significant number of folks are only watching UH games and not tuning into Texas or A&M at all?
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No I'm saying more are tuning into A&M...and LSU. UH as part of the Big 12 would build more interest in conference matchups...instead of losing them to the SEC.
 
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butchna said:
I'm sure the loss of A&M would factor in that discussion. When both Texas and A&M were part of the conference, they had a solid hold. The conference can't use that reasoning in their negotiations anymore...UH would help
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That's not how math works...
 
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butchna said:
No I'm saying more are tuning into A&M...and LSU. UH as part of the Big 12 would build more interest in conference matchups...instead of losing them to the SEC.
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So, you're assuming that there are fans in Houston who aren't watching UH or Texas, but would watch either or both if UH were to join the Big XII?
 
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bamawriter said:
So, you're assuming that there are fans in Houston who aren't watching UH or Texas, but would watch either or both if UH were to join the Big XII?
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Yeah...that'll work...all our conversation is about revolves around assuming. :)
 
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TrueOrange said:
More just that you might be giving Miami's brand a bit too much credit.

Would they watch a UF or FSU game over them? Yeah, probably.
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Don't feel I'm being radical by putting em third..."too much credit" to out pull the Golden Knights? :)
 
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butchna said:
Yours doesn't add up to four...in fact I haven't seen any real numbers...so I'll stick to pi. :)
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I gave you the ratings for the Houston market. That was the beginning of your arithmetical trainwreck. Numbers only help if you have some idea of what they mean.
 
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bamawriter said:
I gave you the ratings for the Houston market. That was the beginning of your arithmetical trainwreck. Numbers only help if you have some idea of what they mean.
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I have an idea...if you do you've been vague about it...vaguer than usual even. :)
 
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