Oklahoma vs WV

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#176
Evidently they can't stop them. Still doesn't make the call a good one by any means. In fact, given the time and lead I still say it was stupid.
 
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#177
allvol123 said:
No looking at the score now, it is a completely irrelevant call.

Looking at the score down by 5, it was a stupid call. Stoops is suppsoed to be a defensive guru. Supposedly halftime adjustments were made, OU came out and shut WVU down on their first 2 possessions. There should have been a feeling of, we made some good defensive changes. Not, we're effed, after cutting the lead to 5.
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I think Stoops knows enough about defense to know that his wasn't going to slow down the Mountaineers. That is exactly why he called the onsides kick. If he were playing a less explosive offense, I would be willing to bet quite a bit of money he would not make that call. It was made out of desperation.
 
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kptvol said:
I think Stoops knows enough about defense to know that his wasn't going to slow down the Mountaineers. That is exactly why he called the onsides kick. If he were playing a less explosive offense, I would be willing to bet quite a bit of money he would not make that call. It was made out of desperation.
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Apparently they were so overmatched it wouldn't have mattered even if they did recover. Chances are you are not going to recover and you just told your team that cut the lead to 5, hey I don't think we can beat this team.
 
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allvol123 said:
Evidently they can't stop them. Still doesn't make the call a good one by any means. In fact, given the time and lead I still say it was stupid.
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If at any point it looked like OU could stop West Virginia, I'd be willing to concede.
 
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allvol123 said:
Apparently they were so overmatched it wouldn't have mattered even if they did recover. Chances are you are not going to recover and you just told your team that cut the lead to 5, hey I don't think we can beat this team.
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Does going for it on fourth down tell your defense, "Hey, I don't think you can stop this team"?

I think Bob Stoops thought he could win, but the best way to do it would be to limit WV's possessions. Jeff Fisher almost beat a great Colts team with an absolutely horrible Titans team a few years ago with the same strategy.
 
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allvol123 said:
No, he was the underdog and looking for a boost to the team. I don't think after cutting a lead to 5 is the time to act like you feel inferior.
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No. It was dumb. It told his team I don't think you can win, even though the score was 0-0.
 
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allvol123 said:
At any point? It is not insignificant that WVU did nothing the first 2 possessions of the secodn half.
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No. UT stopped Cal in consecutive possessions. Do you think Chavis was smiling thinking, "Welp, we've got them figured out." Hell, we probably stopped Florida twice in a row at some point in the game.
 
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kptvol said:
Does going for it on fourth down tell your defense, "Hey, I don't think you can stop this team"?

I think Bob Stoops thought he could win, but the best way to do it would be to limit WV's possessions. Jeff Fisher almost beat a great Colts team with an absolutely horrible Titans team a few years ago with the same strategy.
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I think that is an aggressive form of gambling. It is the offense saying we can overpower them for the first down. Onside kicks are much more luck oriented, more surprise and luck of the bounce you are counting on.
 
#189
#189
allvol123 said:
I think that is an aggressive form of gambling. It is the offense saying we can overpower them for the first down. Onside kicks are much more luck oriented, more surprise and luck of the bounce you are counting on.
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The same could be said of a hail mary. I don't consider it a sign of surrender to attempt such a pass.
 
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kptvol said:
No. UT stopped Cal in consecutive possessions. Do you think Chavis was smiling thinking, "Welp, we've got them figured out." Hell, we probably stopped Florida twice in a row at some point in the game.
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So stopping someone on their 2 second half opening possessions does not qualify as "at any point".
 
#191
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allvol123 said:
So stopping someone on their 2 second half opening possessions does not qualify as "at any point".
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Georgia stopped UT on 2 consecutive possessions several times this year. Would you say their defense could stop our offense?
 
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#192
so, it's basically a stupid call because it failed and WV scored.

Is it still stupid if it succeeds and OU still gets gashed for huge plays and loses?
 
#193
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kptvol said:
The same could be said of a hail mary. I don't consider it a sign of surrender to attempt such a pass.
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If he would have called a Hail mary with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter I would have called that stupid too.
 
#194
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allvol123 said:
If he would have called a Hail mary with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter I would have called that stupid too.
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Sadly, the element of surprise does not work to your advantage if you do something when everyone expects you to do it.

Stoops was being aggressive because he knew his defense couldn't stop WV.
 
#195
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HawaiiVol said:
so, it's basically a stupid call because it failed and WV scored.

Is it still stupid if it succeeds and OU still gets gashed for huge plays and loses?
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It is stupid because of the way the game was going. SO far in the second half we have WVU doing nothing and OU scoring 10 in a row. You are in the game at down 5, ride it some and see where it goes. Not call a play that I would say has a very very low percentage of working and gets the WVU fans and players back into the game.
 
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kptvol said:
Sadly, the element of surprise does not work to your advantage if you do something when everyone expects you to do it.

Stoops was being aggressive because he knew his defense couldn't stop WV.
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Sometimes it doesn't work even if they don't know it is coming. I bet onside kicks have a real low success rate.
 
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allvol123 said:
It is stupid because of the way the game was going. SO far in the second half we have WVU doing nothing and OU scoring 10 in a row. You are in the game at down 5, ride it some and see where it goes. Not call a play that I would say has a very very low percentage of working and gets the WVU fans and players back into the game.
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OU was missing several players in the secondary. They have one of the top offense in the nation. They are facing one of the nations top offenses. They have already been burned on defense by a speedy team that spreads the field (Texas Tech).

That doesn't sound like a scenario where I want to put the game in the hands of my defense.
 
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