Ole Miss self imposes post season ban

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chargervol said:
The irony.
If we were as familiar with the process as you, we wouldn't have been in trouble.
I would offer to spell it out for you but it was already in text so...
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If you're trying to prove that you missed the point, there's no need. It was accomplished with your last post.
 
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What's really sinister here is Bama fans are the first to admit "but everybody cheats!" yet the program that has had the most consistent success against them over the last several years is the only one to get the NCAA hammer thrown down on them. Everybody in the conference gets to cheat unless you beat the cash cow. I fail to see why all the NCAA/SEC connections with Bama/Saban combined with the team that has beat them getting all the attention isn't a bigger deal than it currently is.

NCAA football is a joke. If everybody cheats, then everybody cheats. If somebody gets the hammer thrown at them, then everybody should. This needs to be a level playing field and it simply isn't.
 
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bamawriter said:
UT has more recent sanctions than Bama.
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How can Julio Jones go fishing with a booster and Bama gets no sanctions but an Ole Miss gets sanctions when one of their players goes hunting with a booster?

How do 4 Bama players (back in 2013) not have enough money where they have to rob/assault a student to get snacks from a vending machine but they somehow have enough money to immediately post $200K bond?

Y'all have earned your spot but let's not kid ourselves, you are protected by the amount of cash you bring in to the NCAA/SEC as well.
 
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rjd970 said:
What's really sinister here is Bama fans are the first to admit "but everybody cheats!" yet the program that has had the most consistent success against them over the last several years is the only one to get the NCAA hammer thrown down on them. Everybody in the conference gets to cheat unless you beat the cash cow. I fail to see why all the NCAA/SEC connections with Bama/Saban combined with the team that has beat them getting all the attention isn't a bigger deal than it currently is.

NCAA football is a joke. If everybody cheats, then everybody cheats. If somebody gets the hammer thrown at them, then everybody should. This needs to be a level playing field and it simply isn't.
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First, no hammer has been dropped. Everyone was convinced that Miami and UNC were getting creamed, and Miami wound up unscathed and UNC looks to be headed that way. When trying to guess what today's NCAA will do, the safe bet is "little to nothing."

As to your first paragraph, Ole Miss didn't get busted because they beat Bama twice. They got busted because players at MSU and Auburn rolled on them. They got busted because they pissed off some of the people that had dirt on them. Bama didn't need to do anything to Ole Miss. There are a ton of programs that wanted Ole Miss' scalp, and Ole Miss handed out knives.
 
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bamawriter said:
First, no hammer has been dropped. Everyone was convinced that Miami and UNC were getting creamed, and Miami wound up unscathed and UNC looks to be headed that way. When trying to guess what today's NCAA will do, the safe bet is "little to nothing."

As to your first paragraph, Ole Miss didn't get busted because they beat Bama twice. They got busted because players at MSU and Auburn rolled on them. They got busted because they pissed off some of the people that had dirt on them. Bama didn't need to do anything to Ole Miss. There are a ton of programs that wanted Ole Miss' scalp, and Ole Miss handed out knives.
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Ole Miss evidently doesn't think that, given that they just did something fairly extreme (self-imposing a postseason ban) to try to get the NCAA to back off. They know that they have to do a lot on their own to even hope that the NCAA won't decimate them.

Freeze will get a show-cause and never coach again, at least at a big school, and Ole Miss will be back in football purgatory.
 
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bamawriter said:
I have to imagine Freeze gets the boot before long. Make a sacrifice and the NCAA probably won't do a whole lot more. But Ole Miss might be thinking that they will never do better than Freeze.
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I'd be interested to see if there is a show cause that follows him.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
How can Julio Jones go fishing with a booster and Bama gets no sanctions but an Ole Miss gets sanctions when one of their players goes hunting with a booster?
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Because Bama self-reported.

How do 4 Bama players (back in 2013) not have enough money where they have to rob/assault a student to get snacks from a vending machine but they somehow have enough money to immediately post $200K bond?
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Don't make stuff up. The largest bond set for any of the four was $65,000. That's $6500 to a bondsman.

Y'all have earned your spot but let's not kid ourselves, you are protected by the amount of cash you bring in to the NCAA/SEC as well.
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With all of this Ole Miss stuff coming to light, I would think that any fan of a school that won high profile recruiting battles against the Rebels might want to hold off on pointing fingers.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ole Miss evidently doesn't think that, given that they just did something fairly extreme (self-imposing a postseason ban) to try to get the NCAA to back off. They know that they have to do a lot on their own to even hope that the NCAA won't decimate them.
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Miami also self-imposed a post-season ban, and the NCAA's final sanctions would generously be called a slap on the wrist (9 schollies over three seasons, and the school got to choose how they were divided up). There is no guarantee that the NCAA will do anything significant to Ole Miss.

And what is a post-season ban to Ole Miss? They lose out on 8 million bucks, which is less than 20% of what they'll receive in media rights alone. Given Ole Miss' history, they are about 50/50 to miss out on a bowl game next year based upon wins and losses, so laying out a year is no great sacrifice.

Freeze will get a show-cause and never coach again, at least at a big school, and Ole Miss will be back in football purgatory.
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Now that I agree with. The NCAA doesn't have a problem slapping coaches around. I'm not sure that he'll never coach at a major program again, but it will probably be a while.
 
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05_never_again said:
You know that every school is doing this stuff. It's just a matter of who gets caught.

Appears that Ole Miss was sloppy and too brazen in their shenanigans, plus they were a "little brother" program that dramatically improved in a short period of time. Too much attention.
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Well, every school includes us, too!

I just wish we would spend some of the $$ on some 5-stars.
 
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bamawriter said:
Because Bama self-reported.



Don't make stuff up. The largest bond set for any of the four was $65,000. That's $6500 to a bondsman.



With all of this Ole Miss stuff coming to light, I would think that any fan of a school that won high profile recruiting battles against the Rebels might want to hold off on pointing fingers.
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Regarding the bond, $65,000 + 60,000+60,000+5,000 = $190,000. That's right at $200K. (I apologize for being $10K off). If you don't have the money for snacks, you don't have the money to pay $19K in the middle of the night unless you play QB at Auburn.

Regarding Kongbo and Richmond, I'm not naïve enough to think everything is 100% on the up and up. However, I don't think you are naïve enough to think that the multi-generational cheating that occurred at Bama has immediately stopped. Everyone in the SEC is bending/breaking the rules to some extent...it's just who is sloppy enough or brings enough attention to themselves to get caught.
 
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The NCAA is going to do more than one year bowl ban, they are going to take scholarships and suspend CHF......Don't really see how they can keep from firing Freeze
 
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bamawriter said:
Miami also self-imposed a post-season ban as well, and the NCAA's final sanctions would generously be called a slap on the wrist (9 schollies over three seasons, and the school got to choose how they were divided up). There is no guarantee that the NCAA will do anything significant to Ole Miss.

And what is a post-season ban to Ole Miss? They lose out on 8 million bucks, which is less than 20% of what they'll receive in media rights alone. Given Ole Miss' history, they are about 50/50 to miss out on a bowl game next year based upon wins and losses, so laying out a year is no great sacrifice.
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Miami also has a cachet and a brand, and they don't want to dent that too much. I think the NCAA would have far less of a problem laying the smack down on Ole Miss than they would Miami.

They had no problem nailing USC, but that is seen now as a turning point in the severity of their punishments. To your point about going easy on Miami, the lenient nature of that punishment was probably because they were widely viewed to have gone too hard on USC.

As for the $7.8m, weren't they going to get that regardless of whether they made a bowl or not? I thought that is their share of the SEC's postseason rake, which all 14 schools and the league office split. Missing out on that hurts Ole Miss more than it would a bigger school.
 
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bamawriter said:
With all of this Ole Miss stuff coming to light, I would think that any fan of a school that won high profile recruiting battles against the Rebels might want to hold off on pointing fingers.
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Give me a break. Tennessee is just rolling in 5-stars, sure, ok. As long as we don't upset the powers that be and beat Bama two years in a row, we should be good. Again, like you say, everybody cheats.

The rest of us are just honest enough to realize that you only get punished for cheating when the NCAA/SEC darlings get beat.
 
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rjd970 said:
Give me a break. Tennessee is just rolling in 5-stars, sure, ok. As long as we don't upset the powers that be and beat Bama two years in a row, we should be good. Again, like you say, everybody cheats.

The rest of us are just honest enough to realize that you only get punished for cheating when the NCAA/SEC darlings get beat.
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Are you suggesting that if Ole Miss didn't beat Alabama 2 years in a row, nothing would have happened to them?

I have as big of a distaste for Alabama as anyone, but I don't even believe that.
 
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