Ole Miss self imposes post season ban

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BigOrangeMojo said:
Regarding the bond, $65,000 + 60,000+60,000+5,000 = $190,000. That's right at $200K. (I apologize for being $10K off). If you don't have the money for snacks, you don't have the money to pay $19K in the middle of the night unless you play QB at Auburn.
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Which means that the four players had to come up with $6500, $6000, $6000, and $500 respectively. It's asinine to assume that these guys committed a robbery because they couldn't afford snacks. They were football players on scholarship. They had plenty of access to food at basically all hours. They did it because they wanted to do it.

Regarding Kongbo and Richmond, I'm not naïve enough to think everything is 100% on the up and up. However, I don't think you are naïve enough to think that the multi-generational cheating that occurred at Bama has immediately stopped. Everyone in the SEC is bending/breaking the rules to some extent...it's just who is sloppy enough or brings enough attention to themselves to get caught.
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When have I ever suggested that Bama isn't breaking the rules? They absolutely are. I just don't understand the finger-pointing from other rule-breakers.
 
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If Ole Miss doesn't fire Freeze, the NCAA is probably going to make the sanctions much worse.

I doubt Ole Miss will get much of a choice in the matter.
 
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05_never_again said:
Miami also has a cachet and a brand, and they don't want to dent that too much. I think the NCAA would have far less of a problem laying the smack down on Ole Miss than they would Miami.
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Miami had a brand. They don't anymore. They are an also-ran with no fans. Nuking them would have meant nothing to anyone.

They had no problem nailing USC, but that is seen now as a turning point in the severity of their punishments. To your point about going easy on Miami, the lenient nature of that punishment was probably because they were widely viewed to have gone too hard on USC.
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USC is certainly part of the issue. I think Penn State was the breaking point. It didn't get a lot of press, but the membership was pissed off that Indianapolis stepped into an issue where they had no authority. No one is playing ball with the NCAA anymore.

As for the $7.8m, weren't they going to get that regardless of whether they made a bowl or not? I thought that is their share of the SEC's postseason rake, which all 14 schools and the league office split. Missing out on that hurts Ole Miss more than it would a bigger school.
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Like I said, it's less than 20% of Ole Miss' media package alone. It will sting Ole Miss more than it would a Bama or Florida, but it's not some huge amount that will set the program back.

Now, in fairness, the post-season ban means Ole Miss will not be eligible to play in the 2017 SEC Championship Game. But they were already ineligible for that game because they are Ole Miss.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not to give Finebaum credit for anything but he did predict a few months back that Ole Miss would be announcing something major like this but they would wait 2 or 3 weeks after NSD to do it.
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Say what you want Finebaum keeps it real, opines, and speaks candidly. He's a Tennessee alum and states it frequently.
 
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rjd970 said:
Give me a break. Tennessee is just rolling in 5-stars, sure, ok. As long as we don't upset the powers that be and beat Bama two years in a row, we should be good. Again, like you say, everybody cheats.
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I don't think you need to worry.

The rest of us are just honest enough to realize that you only get punished for cheating when the NCAA/SEC darlings get beat.
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LSU beat Bama two years in a row and had a position coach paying players... nothing.

Everyone know Auburn paid Cam Newton. They have two all-time classic wins over Bama ('10, '13) that get highlighted 15 times during every subsequent Iron Bowl... nothing.
 
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bamawriter said:
Which means that the four players had to come up with $6500, $6000, $6000, and $500 respectively. It's asinine to assume that these guys committed a robbery because they couldn't afford snacks. They were football players on scholarship. They had plenty of access to food at basically all hours. They did it because they wanted to do it.



When have I ever suggested that Bama isn't breaking the rules? They absolutely are. I just don't understand the finger-pointing from other rule-breakers.
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Some are just better at not getting caught!
 
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bamawriter said:
Which means that the four players had to come up with $6500, $6000, $6000, and $500 respectively. It's asinine to assume that these guys committed a robbery because they couldn't afford snacks. They were football players on scholarship. They had plenty of access to food at basically all hours. They did it because they wanted to do it.



When have I ever suggested that Bama isn't breaking the rules? They absolutely are. I just don't understand the finger-pointing from other rule-breakers.
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Legitimate question (2 of them)

Some Ole Miss fans complain that a former Bama grad is an investigator on their case. Do you know if this is a true statement or just sour grapes on their part? Do you have any insight on this?

Do you think that Bama is held to a different standard than a school like Ole Miss because of its cash cow status? There's a long history of cheating plus enough smoke (albeit self reported) yet no investigation. This isn't just a Bama phenomena (i.e. UK basketball now).
 
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bamawriter said:
You almost have to try to get caught.
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Yep. This is like speeding along with a pack of 10 other cars on the interstate.

A cop isn't even going to be sitting in that area, since it is higher traffic and he can't pull 10 people over, but if he was he wouldn't pull anybody over anyway, unless you were weaving or otherwise driving like a maniac.
 
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bamawriter said:
Rational thought is at a premium on this board.
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There's three ways to get caught (since everyone is cheating to some extent)....

1. You have to be sloppy enough to get caught
2. You have to bring attention to yourself. Ole Miss brought attention to themselves by signing multiple great classes AND beating Bama. I know Bama is not the one who started the investigation but Ole Miss beating Bama sure brought more attention to them.
3. There's a personal vendetta against a school/coach (I think this is in play here due to Freeze's pious attitude).
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Legitimate question (2 of them)

Some Ole Miss fans complain that a former Bama grad is an investigator on their case. Do you know if this is a true statement or just sour grapes on their part? Do you have any insight on this?
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The new head of investigations is a Bama grad (specifically Bama law). But the investigation began before he got the gig.

Do you think that Bama is held to a different standard than a school like Ole Miss because of its cash cow status? There's a long history of cheating plus enough smoke (albeit self reported) yet no investigation. This isn't just a Bama phenomena (i.e. UK basketball now).
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I don't know if it's a "cash cow" status as much as it is winning, although I suppose the two usually go hand-in-hand. The NCAA rarely punishes winners. With the exception of USC, how many times has the NCAA punished a team that's won anything of consequence? Even during Bama's many run-ins, we never forfeited a championship of any kind. And I genuinely believe USC only got hit so hard because they publicly stonewalled the NCAA.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
3. There's a personal vendetta against a school/coach (I think this is in play here due to Freeze's pious attitude).
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You really think the NCAA went after Ole Miss, at least in part, because their coach is a devout Christian?

This is simple. Ole Miss got nailed because they were flashy about their rule breaking and they are a "little brother" program historically. If one of those things wasn't true; in other words, if they were a cash cow program or if the improvement in their program wasn't as sudden and dramatic, they would not have gotten nailed.

I know as Vols fans we want to bring Alabama into the conversation as a nefarious actor, I really Ole Miss meets this same demise even if they didn't beat Alabama. It had more to do with those recruiting classes they signed, in particular the 2013 class.

It was like they showed up at a blackjack table and won 100 hands in a row, or only bet big on hands they ended up winning. If you are going to cheat, you have to be a little less obvious about it, especially if you are not a regular at the casino.
 
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05_never_again said:
You really think the NCAA went after Ole Miss, at least in part, because their coach is a devout Christian?

This is simple. Ole Miss got nailed because they were flashy about their rule breaking and they are a "little brother" program historically. If one of those things wasn't true; in other words, if they were a cash cow program or if the improvement in their program wasn't as sudden and dramatic, they would not have gotten nailed.

I know as Vols fans we want to bring Alabama into the conversation as a nefarious actor, I really Ole Miss meets this same demise even if they didn't beat Alabama. It had more to do with those recruiting classes they signed, in particular the 2013 class.

It was like they showed up at a blackjack table and won 100 hands in a row, or only bet big on hands they ended up winning. If you are going to cheat, you have to be a little less obvious about it, especially if you are not a regular at the casino.
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I believe the NCAA's zeal against Ole Miss was partially due to Freeze being a sanctimonious hypocrite. Let's not forget how Freeze got his start in college football (by helping funnel Michael Oher to Ole Miss). The NCAA had some egg on their face with that situation and I think that and his attitude (along with the blatant cheating and attention grabbing results/recruiting) all caused this for Ole Miss.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I believe the NCAA's zeal against Ole Miss was partially due to Freeze being a sanctimonious hypocrite. Let's not forget how Freeze got his start in college football (by helping funnel Michael Oher to Ole Miss). The NCAA had some egg on their face with that situation and I think that and his attitude (along with the blatant cheating and attention grabbing results/recruiting) all caused this for Ole Miss.
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Yeah. Could be.
 
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barrylee said:
Why do some of you have to go looking for this crap, there is nothing out there to even consider going there..
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It's hard not to think about Richmond since he was committed to them for 5 months but as others have pointed out in this thread, the recruit alleged to have been paid looks to be from Miss St.
 
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99gator said:
When did this "self-imposed" stuff start?

Over the years, I have come to realize that Florida didn't do anything wrong in the 80's. They just cheated at the wrong time in history.
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Apparently after Galen Hall and Charley Pell left coaching.
 
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05_never_again said:
Are you suggesting that if Ole Miss didn't beat Alabama 2 years in a row, nothing would have happened to them?

I have as big of a distaste for Alabama as anyone, but I don't even believe that.
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That is exactly what I'm saying. It's naïve to think with the connections the NCAA and SEC front offices have with Bama that it wasn't pushed along. Saban/Emmert, SEC Office being in the heart of Bama land, head of NCAA investigations a Bama grad...too much smoke.
 
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rjd970 said:
That is exactly what I'm saying. It's naïve to think with the connections the NCAA and SEC front offices have with Bama that it wasn't pushed along. Saban/Emmert, SEC Office being in the heart of Bama land, head of NCAA investigations a Bama grad...too much smoke.
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Nifty tinfoil hat you have there.

By Ole Miss' own admission, the NCAA investigation started in 2013. Ole Miss beat Bama in '14 and '15.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't think you need to worry.
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Ahhh, of course, silly snide remark. You are right we don't need to worry about UT beating Bama a couple years in a row. If UT AD ever got its act together and rolled off a couple against UA the investigations would come down as soon as it happened


bamawriter said:
LSU beat Bama two years in a row and had a position coach paying players... nothing.

Everyone know Auburn paid Cam Newton. They have two all-time classic wins over Bama ('10, '13) that get highlighted 15 times during every subsequent Iron Bowl... nothing.
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You are FOS if you don't believe NCAA would have been all over LSU and AU if they had players flashing cars and cash like Bama does right now.
 
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