Ole Miss self imposes post season ban

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rjd970 said:
Ahhh, of course, silly snide remark. You are right we don't need to worry about UT beating Bama a couple years in a row. If UT AD ever got its act together and rolled off a couple against UA the investigations would come down as soon as it happened


You are FOS if you don't believe NCAA would have been all over LSU and AU if they had players flashing cars and cash like Bama does right now.
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AU paid 200k for Cam Newton's services and the NCAA justified doing nothing because "Cam didn't know" that his father was shopping him around.

Leonard Fournette's family had started a business to monetize his name and likeness, and the NCAA did nothing because there was "no evidence that Fournette, himself, was involved."

Your conspiracy theories would be hilarious if they weren't so desperately sad.
 
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rjd970 said:
Ahhh, of course, silly snide remark. You are right we don't need to worry about UT beating Bama a couple years in a row. If UT AD ever got its act together and rolled off a couple against UA the investigations would come down as soon as it happened




You are FOS if you don't believe NCAA would have been all over LSU and AU if they had players flashing cars and cash like Bama does right now.
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I'm as big a fan of UT as most, but I'm more than a little curious as to how you explain how we were not investigated when we were winning 9-10 against Bama from 1995-2004 and 10-12 through 2006?
 
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esarmstrong said:
I'm as big a fan of UT as most, but I'm more than a little curious as to how you explain how we were not investigated when we were winning 9-10 against Bama from 1995-2004 and 10-12 through 2006?
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Well, we did kinda turn Bama in for that entire Albert Means thing to take the attention off of us...
 
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esarmstrong said:
I'm as big a fan of UT as most, but I'm more than a little curious as to how you explain how we were not investigated when we were winning 9-10 against Bama from 1995-2004 and 10-12 through 2006?
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UT was investigated over Tee Martin. Despite copies of cancelled checks, UT walked away unscathed.

RJD is simply going to say that Bama didn't have control of the NCAA at that time and will ignore the fact that UT had the benefit of Roy Kramer steering the ship in Birmingham during the 90s.
 
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rjd970 said:
That is exactly what I'm saying. It's naïve to think with the connections the NCAA and SEC front offices have with Bama that it wasn't pushed along. Saban/Emmert, SEC Office being in the heart of Bama land, head of NCAA investigations a Bama grad...too much smoke.
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I don't deny any of the facts, but if the conclusion you are drawing from them is true the city of Auburn, AL would have been nuked after the Cam saga.

The NCAA soft-pedals wrongdoing by the major schools, of which Alabama is just one. They would give Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. the same breaks they'd give Alabama.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Well, we did kinda turn Bama in for that entire Albert Means thing to take the attention off of us...
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This rumor has to be squashed. TN and Fulmer DID NOT turn Alabama in! The judge in Tuscaloosa wrote a book about it. It was put out there by the scumbag AL lawyers looking to play the case out in the media.
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
This rumor has to be squashed. TN and Fulmer DID NOT turn Alabama in! The judge in Tuscaloosa wrote a book about it. It was put out there by the scumbag AL lawyers looking to play the case out in the media.
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Fulmer spoke to the NCAA as a secret witness. How do you want that hair to be split?
 
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bamawriter said:
UT was investigated over Tee Martin. Despite copies of cancelled checks, UT walked away unscathed.

RJD is simply going to say that Bama didn't have control of the NCAA at that time and will ignore the fact that UT had the benefit of Roy Kramer steering the ship in Birmingham during the 90s.
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So Roy Kramer was working with TN to bring down AL?
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
This rumor has to be squashed. TN and Fulmer DID NOT turn Alabama in! The judge in Tuscaloosa wrote a book about it. It was put out there by the scumbag AL lawyers looking to play the case out in the media.
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Let me reword it, we had the entire Albert Means situation to take the attention off of us. We were competing against Bama for kids in Memphis and we were getting/recruiting players from the same schools that got busted for selling players to UK and Bama.
 
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bamawriter said:
Fulmer spoke to the NCAA as a secret witness. How do you want that hair to be split?
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I live in AL and have been hearing this nonsense for years. Stop it! This is FROM THE JUDGE----

"The book would show that (ALABAMA) lawyers withheld certain documents from the press to help deliver that message. For example, the much- discussed memos from Fulmer to the SEC home office that raised questions surrounding Means' recruitment made no mention of Alabama's involvement, Wilson said. The SEC's investigation of those memos resulted in the allegations being declared an "unsubstantiated rumor," which in turn meant that none of its member institutions were warned that violations, specifically by UA booster Logan Young, were occurring in the recruitment of Means. (Another) thing that was not told to (the press) is that the Albert Means violation was not reported by the University of Tennessee," Wilson said, "but by the University of Arkansas. ... All of these facts totally refuted the UT conspiracy in the case."
 
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bamawriter said:
Other coaches (Spurrier, Nutt, and Saban, amongst others) reported what they'd heard. None of them actually sat down with NCAA investigators. Certainly none of them were offered the opportunity to be secret witnesses. That was all Fulmer.
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Says who? Tommy Gallion? Paul Finebaum? Cletus the toothless Bama fan? My source is the judge who presided over the case.

Let me guess, you also think the commissioner of the SEC (Kramer) was working with TN to bring down AL?
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
I live in AL and have been hearing this nonsense for years. Stop it! This is FROM THE JUDGE----

"The book would show that (ALABAMA) lawyers withheld certain documents from the press to help deliver that message. For example, the much- discussed memos from Fulmer to the SEC home office that raised questions surrounding Means' recruitment made no mention of Alabama's involvement, Wilson said. The SEC's investigation of those memos resulted in the allegations being declared an "unsubstantiated rumor," which in turn meant that none of its member institutions were warned that violations, specifically by UA booster Logan Young, were occurring in the recruitment of Means. (Another) thing that was not told to (the press) is that the Albert Means violation was not reported by the University of Tennessee," Wilson said, "but by the University of Arkansas. ... All of these facts totally refuted the UT conspiracy in the case."
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I'm not talking about Fulmer's memos to the SEC. I'm not even suggesting the Fulmer was the first to report anything on Alabama.

Fulmer actively cooperated with the NCAA's investigators, specifically Rich Johanningmeier and Tommy Culpepper. Their reports to the NCAA detail interviews with a redacted witness who turned out to be Fulmer.

I am not arguing that Bama didn't deserve their sanctions. I'm not saying Bama did nothing wrong. They absolutely did. But it is baffling to me that you're trying to pretend that Fulmer didn't assist the investigation. Why would you even have a problem with it?
 
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Otis07 said:
that is the biggest lie that has ever been told on Volnation...I call bullsh**
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Prove it. My post history is available and easily searchable.

Edit:

I'll go ahead and help you with a short thread that shows I've been quite open for years now:

Link
 
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bamawriter said:
But it is baffling to me that you're trying to pretend that Fulmer didn't assist the investigation. Why would you even have a problem with it?
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I'm curious to hear that too, as a Tennessee fan.

Every other Tennessee fan I know thinks it is hilarious, or is even proud of the fact, that Fulmer played a role in Bama's demise for a period of time. I wasn't aware this was a disputed fact.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not talking about Fulmer's memos to the SEC. I'm not even suggesting the Fulmer was the first to report anything on Alabama.

Fulmer actively cooperated with the NCAA's investigators, specifically Rich Johanningmeier and Tommy Culpepper. Their reports to the NCAA detail interviews with a redacted witness who turned out to be Fulmer.

I am not arguing that Bama didn't deserve their sanctions. I'm not saying Bama did nothing wrong. They absolutely did. But it is baffling to me that you're trying to pretend that Fulmer didn't assist the investigation. Why would you even have a problem with it?
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UT Assistant Coach Pat Washington notified the SEC office in 1999 about Lynn Lang's request for money. The ironic twist is that Trezevant Coach Lynn Lang implicated Tim Thompson (Melrose coach) and Kentucky got slammed harder than anyone by paying for former Melrose player, DeWayne Robertson. In addition, the NCAA completely ignored a Georgia booster paying Milton Kirk/Lynn Lang as well (and this was the same time they completely ignored the Jim Harrick academic fraud scandal there)
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
UT Assistant Coach Pat Washington notified the SEC office in 1999 about Lynn Lang's request for money. The ironic twist is that Trezevant Coach Lynn Lang implicated Tim Thompson (Melrose coach) and Kentucky got slammed harder than anyone by paying for former Melrose player, DeWayne Robertson. In addition, the NCAA completely ignored a Georgia booster paying Milton Kirk/Lynn Lang as well (and this was the same time they completely ignored the Jim Harrick academic fraud scandal there)
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Logan Young paid Thompson to send Kindal Moorehead to Alabama as well. Memphis was a cesspool in the 90's. Bamawriter likes to complain about Fulmer's cooperation with the NCAA on here but what was he supposed to do? Let Bama buy our in-state players? He had to put a stop to it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Bamawriter likes to complain about Fulmer's cooperation with the NCAA
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How, exactly, have I complained? Acknowledging that Fulmer cooperated with the NCAA is not complaining about it. I understand why he did it, even if your interpretation is a tad pollyanna. I don't even blame him for doing it.

In the end, Bama wound up much better off than Tennessee, so there is really no point in holding a grudge.
 
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esarmstrong said:
I'm as big a fan of UT as most, but I'm more than a little curious as to how you explain how we were not investigated when we were winning 9-10 against Bama from 1995-2004 and 10-12 through 2006?
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As I have said from the beginning of this thread, this is a Saban/Emmert/SEC connection. That was not there in the 90's.

This is irrespective of the actual school. Would Saban be at UT now we would be benefitting.
 
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rjd970 said:
As I have said from the beginning of this thread, this is a Saban/Emmert/SEC connection. That was not there in the 90's.
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Why was Auburn not destroyed after 2010?

If your interpretation of the Alabama/NCAA relationship is true, you could not script a better story that should have led to the dismantling of their football program.
 
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bamawriter said:
UT was investigated over Tee Martin. Despite copies of cancelled checks, UT walked away unscathed.

RJD is simply going to say that Bama didn't have control of the NCAA at that time and will ignore the fact that UT had the benefit of Roy Kramer steering the ship in Birmingham during the 90s.
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I'm psychic.

rjd970 said:
As I have said from the beginning of this thread, this is a Saban/Emmert/SEC connection. That was not there in the 90's.
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